User talk:JohnI

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[edit] Welcome to Wikipedia!

Hello JohnI, welcome to Wikipedia!

I noticed nobody had said hi yet... Hi!

If you feel a change is needed, feel free to make it yourself! Wikipedia is a wiki, so anyone (yourself included) can edit any article by following the Edit this page link. Wikipedia convention is to be bold and not be afraid of making mistakes. If you're not sure how editing works, have a look at How to edit a page, or try out the Sandbox to test your editing skills.

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If you have any questions, feel free to ask me on my talk page. Thanks and happy editing, -- Alf melmac 23:21, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Disambig pages

A fairly minor note, but since I noticed your edit summary over at the Tear disambiguation page, and this applies more as a general style thing as opposed to that one page... MoS:DAB does not specify an alphabetical arrangement, but rather an arrangement based on a rough idea of what's most commonly used as well as, for longer lists, an arrangement based on logic or similarly grouped topics. Of course, when a list truly is arbitrary (say, a list of places), then alphabetical arrangement is better than nothing, but in a case like "Tear" where there is a clear "best" answer ("Tears" in this case), alphabetical arrangement should probably not be used. SnowFire 03:09, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Shell game corrections

**MOVED FROM MY USER PAGE**

Thanks for your fixes after my changes to Shell game - http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Shell_game&diff=next&oldid=99234115

I missed that.

Interestingly, the verb was okay in British English (and by extension Aussie English), but not okay in US English. See: [1]

e.g. If I replaced the word "gang", by "they" -> "surround" would be the choice.

I'll let it stand.

Thanks again.

202.63.40.179 20:26, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

    • Actually, what you apparently meant to do was change the original sentence to read, "the gang surround him/her," but you wrote, "the player/victim the gang surround him/her," which does not make sense. Soapy 20:52, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Languages of the European Union

I have made some changes in the article and I have also included the suggestion you made at the talk page. Take a look. --Michkalas 14:29, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

As there is an ongoing and rather prolonged discussion over some data about the new member states in Languages_of_the_European_Union#Language_skills_of_European_Union_citizens, please see the discussion in Talk:Languages_of_the_European_Union#2007_update and, as you have recently contributed to the article, you may want to add some comment. --Michkalas 20:27, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Regarding edits made to Empire On Fire

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[edit] History of Auckland

Thanks for your work on this article :-) Winstonwolfe 19:15, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] FYI: I have some tools that may simplify your "Where I have been" secton of your user page

I see you have a list of nations and/or states/provinces on your user page. I would like to offer you some templates for this task I created for my own list. One pair of templates will create entries identical to the one I use. (I suggest you copy my legend if you use them.) Other templates will provide just a flag or name (nation or province/state).

Highlights
  • All use a simple code.
    • Nations are identified with a two letter top-level Internet domain code (except for the United States of America, which uses "USA").
    • States and provinces are identified with postal codes (so far anyway).
  • Nation and state/province names are linked.
  • The low level templates return flag images with just the filename allowing you to control the image size and caption.
  • All flag images located so far are SVG.
  • If any flag images or names on your page officially change, your user page will get the update as soon as I know about it.


One drawback
  • Currently the province templates can only look up data for the United States of America and Canada. However, additional capability can be readily added. All I need to do is create a starter template and let you add the provinces.


Templates to build a list of where you have been
Enter this Purpose Sample output Subst this template?
Creates an entry in the list of places where I have been. Rather than call this template, most will call a template listed below. They will call Flag Entry as needed for you.
*‡§Illinois — Illinois (The state where I was born and grew up.)
 No
Creates an entry in the list of places where I have been
*‡§United States of America — United States of America (I visited other nations, but have yet to live in any)
  • Canada — Canada (Year unknown as I was too young to remember)
  • Mexico — Mexico (Twice: 1977, 1982)
 No
Creates an entry in the list of places where I have been. Important: See the notes for GetProvinceName and GetProvinceFlag.
*‡§Illinois — Illinois (The state where I was born and grew up.)
  • Ontario — Ontario (Year unknown as I was too young to remember)
 No


Note: Not all templates in this next category are listed in the interests of space. To see a list of the missing functions, please see {{User:Will Pittenger/templates/GetProvinceName}} and {{User:Will Pittenger/templates/GetProvinceFlag}}.
Templates that look up the flag or name of a nation or province of a nation
Enter this Purpose Sample output Subst this template?
Detemines the name of the country from a code No
Detemines the flag of the country from a code
United States of America Canada
 No
Detemines the name of the country from a code. Note this relies on a series of templates that aren't listed here in the interests of space. You can find the complete list on the template's page. If a nation is not yet supported, you can add it in my namespace by asking for it on my talk page. I'll create a starter page and you finish it with the instructions I provide. The template also supports using templates from another user's namespace. No
Determines the flag of the country from a code. Note this relies on a series of templates that aren't listed here in the interests of space. You can find the complete list on the template's page. If a nation is not yet supported, you can add it in my namespace by asking for it on my talk page. I'll create a starter page and you finish it with the instructions I provide. The template also supports using templates from another user's namespace.
Illinois Ontario
 No

Will (Talk - contribs) 17:38, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cayuse

Thanks for the heads up man. Khoikhoi 04:37, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RfDs

You don't need to make a separate entry for each of those redirects. See how I formatted your previous entry (March 6). John Reaves (talk) 18:59, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] It's not keystrokes that cause me grief with disambiguation

It's the spelling! I can never spell that word correctly, but I can spell disambig. - Ta bu shi da yu 23:04, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I do not understand

I am afraid that I do not understand what you are trying to tell, about the hikari no densetsu page.Angel,Isaac 00:30, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] re: (disambig) → <disambiguation page>

Good morning, Johnl. If you already know this, I apologize. I am about to describe a common misperception about the WikiMedia software. It was not clear from your comments whether or not you personally held this belief but it was clear from the comments of others that this remains a common mistake and deserved correcting.

Many people nominate redirects for deletion because they think they are "useless" and that deleting a page somehow saves either server space or some other form of system resources. Hard drives are cheaper than they used to be but still not free - so if we don't need a page, why not save a few pennies? The problem is that the underlying assumption is not true. The WikiMedia software never actually "deletes" anything, it just moves a page from viewable-by-everyone status to viewable-only-by-admins. Even deleted, the page is still in the system, consuming just as much computer memory. In fact, because WikiMedia keeps every version of a page, deleting it actually increases the computer resources consumed since we are now storing both the deleted and undeleted versions in the hidden history.

Of course, the real irony is that the discussion about the deletion invariably consumes many times the system resources as the disputed content did.

The history that I was talking about is the history of the project generally. Remember that many more people read Wikipedia than edit it. (The studies I've seen suggest a 10:1 ratio.) Many of those people are intermittent readers at best but many of them do create bookmarks or external links to favorite pages. Being a wiki, we have the right to change those pages, move them to better titles, etc. But we ought to leave a trail behind so that when the user comes back, they can find the content again. That's the principle behind the automatic creation of redirects whenever pages are moved. Redirects are an extremely low-cost way to leave a trail that others can follow even when they are coming in from outside.

Many have recently argued that this need is obsolete - that the search engine is sufficient for readers to find what they were looking for. I used to think that myself until someone walked me through an exercise where the functional limitations of our search engine were very clearly proven. This issue has been repeatedly demonstrated. The search engine is a great tool but is not and can not be the only navigational tool that we give readers. Hope that helps. Rossami (talk) 15:05, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] STEP & Step - disambiguation pages

No, you've not missed anything. It seems I haven't been keeping abreast of changes to dab policy. Your change was correct. Josh Parris 05:29, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Maude (disambig)

I wrote that because you had already proposed that that particular redirect be deleted, and it was ruled that it should be kept (no consensus): here. Just three days after it was kept, you changed it. RFD is the only process for deleting or removing redirects, and because you've already tried that route, there really is no other route. If you want to try again a few months from now, that's fine, but redirects aren't harmful, and I'd argue that as long as the redirect has some history, and is not disparaging or irrelevant, it should be kept. Ral315 » 19:19, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Added note about changing links." edits on "(disambig)" redirects

These don't seem very helpful. If you want to nominate these as redirects for deletion, go ahead, but leaving "editorial notes" in the article space isn't good practice ("self-references", etc), you're breaking any links that do actually exist, and they're now all showing up on Special:Uncategorizedpages. I suggest these would be better returned to being redirects, until such time as they're orphaned and deleted. Alai 01:46, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

I wouldn't personally argue to keep them; they seem unlikely to be useful for human navigation. But equally, they don't seem to be doing any reak harm, and the "local culture" at RFD seems to be keep redirects, unless there's some strong reason to get rid of them (as you may have noticed). But turning them into something-other-than-redirects would tend to make them more of nuisance, not less, and doing do in order to have them deleted might be seen as trying to "venue shop", if you ask for deletion via some other route or process. I'd suggest just leaving them as redirects until such time as there's some sort of consensus to delete them. Alai 19:52, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] CSD Nominations for "(disambig)" redirects

Please stop converting "(disambig)" pages to editorial notes and nominating them for speedy deletion. Editorial notes do not go on article pages. The speedy deletion criteria do not apply to these redirects. The failure of your previous RFD nominations [1] [2] should be enough of an indication to you that there is not community consensus for deleting this type of redirect. If you want to try proposing them at RFD again, you are welcome to. However, you need to stop with your current notes & speedy tags. That is not in keeping with Wikipedia policies & procedures. Please let me know if you have any questions. Thanks. -- JLaTondre 12:17, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

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