Talk:Johnny Thunders

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[edit] Suggested Merge

I don't see why Johnny Thunders should be merged with the Heartbreakers. Both articles need more work but both are seperate topics. Johnny Thunders had a prominent solo career and did a lot outside of stints with the Heartbreakers. The article on L.A.M.F. has information to add to the Heartbreakers aswell. Anyone disagree? Merely because the Heartbreakers article is short at this time, I don't think it should be merged.Case 18:09, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

The Heartbreakers are a very important band to the history of punk music. The Heartbreakers deserves its own article - because of the band's significance and influence. Kingturtle 20:29, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

AFIC, the Heartbreakers are more of a Richard Hell band than a Johnny Thunders band. At any rate, their importance is in their incarnation as an early Richard Hell band and their relation to latter Hell band the Voidoids, not as a late career band for Johnny Thunders.

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The Heartbreakers were NOT in any way a "Richard Hell band." When Johnny and Jerry left the Dolls, they formed a band and brought Richard Hell into the fold. When Hell tried to become the band "leader," Johnny and Jerry promptly kicked him out of the band and hired Billy Rath. Go to Richard Hell's official site and you'll read this in his bio pt. 2: "That week Johnny Thunders calls Hell to say he and Jerry Nolan have left the Dolls and asks if Richard'd like to start a new band with them. "Yeah," and the Heartbreakers are born." ___
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Do not merge. While for all practical purposes the Heartbreakers IS Johnny Thunders, their existence and influence as a band and a clique are independent. While mildly relevant to Richard Hell, the Heartbreakers fit in more with New York Dolls/Johnny Thunders history than Hell's. Richard Hell was a member of the band briefly, helping to write a couple Heartbreakers and Thunders standards (Hurt Me, Chinese Rocks). However, other bands that are more associated with their leader (such as a The Modern Lovers and even the Voidoids) have their own articles, so unless those articles are also merged, the Heartbreakers should have their own article. Kwalka 18:03, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

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I agree with the others... do NOT merge Johnny Thunders and the Heartbreakers sections. Ok, J.T was a verry important part of Heartbreakers but the band also was A BAND with other fame members and therefor the Heartbreakers deserve a article of there own... And J.T for sure deserve his own article, because of his own solo career!
/rigg, 15 mars 2006.

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