Talk:John of Ruysbroeck
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[edit] birth year
The Catholic Encyclopedia article and some other sources give his year of birth as 1293; the New Schaff-Herzog Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge gives it as 1294. I changed the opening summary to say born "1293 or 1294".
The section on his works probably needs editing for NPOV. --Jim Henry 19:36, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
[edit] place of death
Place of death is best described by the New Schaff-Herzog Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge. It says he died at an "Augustinian monastary of Groenendael (2 m. s.e. of Brussels)." If some sources say Groenendael and others say Brussels, they are probably both right by now. Groenendael was the monastary and I assume Brussels has grown up around it (or its former location) by now. In fact, Ruysbroe(c)k (4 m. s.e. of Brussels according to the resource above), where he was born may be part of Brussels now too??? Can anybody familiar with the area give a definitive answer?
[edit] Merge
I tried to merge the two articles: John of Ruysbroeck and Jan van Ruysbroek (scholar). If others find it adequate, please make the "Jan" article a redirect. Liblamb 18:32, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Jan & the Brethren
Its interesting that Jan preached against the Free Spirit Heresy as in essence much of what he is described as saying here is similar to their message. I suppose the key difference was, of course, that Jan believed the intimate relationship with God spoken of by the Free Spirits could be achieved through the established structure of the Church while the Free Spirits did not. ThePeg 15:25, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Do we really know nothing about his ancestry?
His mother installed herself at very short notice in a béguinage near the cathedral. There was only one such, the Hospice Terarken, which depended on the Clutinck family, the leading Brussels Aldermen - the others were quite a distance away. This hospice was established in 1226 by Reynaldus Clutinck, for 12 poor women, and survived until 1792 or thereabouts. It is eminently likely that it inspired his 12 Béguines work, and also the Tabernaculum. We know independantly that the Clutinck family had good relations with the Lords of Ruysbroek, their neighbours, witnessing several deeds for them: Groenedael was also Clutinck land. The van Coudenberg family were almost certainly a cadet branch of the Clutincks, who owned the entire Coudenberg! Furthermore, it would have been extremely unlikely for a serf to have been able to run away like that, and the lad was clearly lettered: this is why the Duke authorised the monastery so easily, they were Nobility, not serfs. But of all dates to set up a cloister, just as the Black Death arrives must have been one of the roughest...
Antwerp University has recently set up an entire School with a Professor and around a dozen specialist Doctors and researchers specialising in his works and times, and it is entirely possible some very controversial - but justified - aspects of his work will start appearing on the Dutch Wiki site: readers should check there frequently. Jelmain 15:55, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
