Talk:John of Nepomuk

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Cleanup Taskforce page → Edit | Purge [edit] John of Nepomuk Densely written, not accessable, missing information. Is there anything about his birth, parentage, raising, eduction, etc? Where are the biographical details? Third paragraph starts with "The issue was". What issue? No issue is previously discussed. Third paragraph is pretty dense reading. What ordinary reader could make heads or tails of this stuff? You need a degree in medaevil european history. The article should stand on its own. Fifth paragraph ASSUMES legend. This is slightly POV. Anyway it is bad structure because no "legend" has been described yet, but now we are going to discuss the origins of the legend? The legend -- and it's refutation -- is a necessary part of the article, but it is not reasonably presented here. Czech name is (Svatý) Jan Nepomucký I cannot read Czech, but the Czech Wikipedia looks like a MUCH better page: http://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Nepomuck%C3%BD Here are some outside sources: http://www.sjn.cz/eng/index.htm (supposedly OFFICIAL webpage of St. Jan Nepomucký in 3 languages) http://chi.gospelcom.net/DAILYF/2001/05/daily-05-16-2001.shtml http://www.scborromeo.org/saints/jon.htm http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08467a.htm http://www.bartleby.com/65/jo/JohnNepo.html http://romeartlover.tripod.com/Domino0.html http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9043810 http://www.prague.net/st-john-nepomuk http://www.marypages.com/Nepomucene.htm (site takes the legend as fact -- good example picture of iconic saint with finger to lips) http://www.traditioninaction.org/SOD/j178sd_JohnNepomuk5-16.shtml (interesting commentary on the legend) http://www.ccel.org/s/schaff/encyc/encyc06/htm/iii.lvii.lxxvii.htm http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=20230 http://www.praguenet.com/compass/number_3/culture.html (enhanced details of the legend) http://www.zdarns.cz/Eng/historie/ZelHora.asp Details of his torture may have included hot irons and cutting out his tongue. There is an intriguing bit of information here: "When his body was exhumated, in his scull the exhumators found unusual substance which looked like tongue. They considered it as a miracle. In 1980s the anthropologist investigated this "tongue“ and they discovered that it is a part of brain – brain tissue. You can see it in St Vitus’ Cathedral at Prague Castle where Jan Nepomucký was buried." He was exumed in the 18th century and his body parts tested in 1980's. --16:14, 2 July 2006 (UTC) Added to User:Reedy Boy/Desk RJFJR 21:44, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 John of Nepomuk 2 Date of Beatification 3 Considered

considered the first martyr of the seal of confession Romanists have to help the rest of us out with this very special category. And why "considered"? Is there some doubt? Wetman 18:33, 4 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Dr Johanek, as he was called because of his small stature Isn't the diminutive widely used in Czech for anyone, like "Johnny" irregardless of dwarf stature? Wetman 20:08, 4 Sep 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Date of Beatification

The article gives two dates, 31 May and 25 June, 1721. Which is correct?? Cheers/JackofOz 22:37, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for spotting this. I tried to look for the source of the June 25th date but was unable to find anything (other than originally wikipedia sources). The official pages [1] say that the date is May 31st, although they state that he was beautified on that day :-). I corrected the article. Matt ෙ 08:02, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Considered

Wetman, perhaps you might get the input you request if you, a) Wouldn't use a pejorative in reference to a demographic of a billion people, and b) wouldn't have asserted as you conclusion two very telling inferences about your negative POV on the subject.

Whatever that may have meant, I have made some changes in the text today, as well as trying to give the article some visual congruity. I've added a Notes section. The text ended "Rome, making use of a forged biography, has canonized a man whose very existence can not be demonstrated." This does not follow from what has been laid out in the preceding text: I've made it "Rome, making use of a forged biography, has canonized a man whose cultural role has become shifted."

My other changes were mostly explanatory additions and links. The most important addition was "The connection of John of Nepomuk with the inviolability of the confessional is part of the development and transformation of the legend..." An essential link. --Wetman 15:11, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Whatever you understood it as, it seems to have worked. You removed one negative point-of-view conclusion, and you refrained from the use of pejoratives in the discussion about such changes. You just might yet turn out to not be a bigot.