Talk:John Michael Botean

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I have received official permission from Fr. Ovidiu of the Chancery to use images and text from the official website (http://www.romaniancatholic.org) for use in Wikipedia. Sources are thus official and copyright permission predates publication. TMLutas 16:29, 9 February 2007 (UTC)


[edit] copyvio

As per the discussion on my and xyzzy's user pages, this article was tagged by an admin who explicitly stated that he was not following guidelines. This is strange, to say the least and I had just had a run in with the same admin on a completely unrelated post. What a coincidence!

I'm letting this run through the process as a test case to see how broken the process really is. TMLutas 14:44, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Please read Template:Copyvio; it explains the matter quite clearly. —Centrx→talk • 22:16, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
The entire episode as per here has been filled with people quoting various rules, templates, guidelines and misstating what they say. I don't know whether you came to the talk page directly or you came via the long discussion on the copyright violations page or from the two user pages that had sections of the discussion. The issue at hand certainly isn't covered by the template. The template a priori accepts the listing admin's determination, that determination is what was in dispute. The much quoted guidelines, policies, and rules all talk about good common sense and also exercising good faith assumptions that other people are not lying when they assert things including that they've got permission. Had anybody actually said "I sent an email" I would have been satisfied and let everybody in on the grand secret, that in this particular organization (for which I've been volunteering in various positions for well over a decade) the time to get something down in writing often takes months and that my own written request had flown out early in the process. Nobody did. Nobody followed the actual guideline and instead spent a great deal of time and effort explaining why they weren't obligated to, considering it important to preserve the option to act arbitrarily.
I learned a good deal about process, Wikipedia, and the community zeitgeist from this irregular permission. I've gained a great deal more appreciation for those who have always maintained that Wikipedia is doomed. They had more of a point than I thought. TMLutas 14:03, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
I am not certain what you are disputing. The text was copied directly from the website indicated, which has no indication that the text is released into the public domain or is licensed under the GFDL. If the copyright holder wishes to license the text under the GFDL, they must send confirmation of that to the Wikimedia Foundation. Until such time as there is confirmation that the text has been explicitly licensed under the GFDL, it cannot remain on Wikipedia. —Centrx→talk • 17:19, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sourcing

On the off chance that this page is on a few more watch lists than normal, I'm going to be a bit more complete than normal on sourcing on this page, at least for a bit and keep up a section for that purpose TMLutas 14:40, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Factual sources:

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