Talk:John McHale (artist)

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BLP? Um, I hate to add stuff at the top of the talk page, but I think it's important to note near this template that according to the article, McHale has been dead for nearly thirty years. That makes anything BLP-specific on this page, which seems to be most of it, including the categorization, mis-framed at best, and in some cases simply wrong. -- Akb4 20:31, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Remove of content per BLP concerns

I have removed content which seems to be original resarch without citation of independent reliable sources to change the attribution of Just What Is It that Makes Today's Homes So Different, So Appealing? from Richard Hamilton to John McHale. If the attribution of this collage to Hamilton should be changed to McHale not original resarch, like resarch by his son, but only verifiable material that has been published by reliable, third-party published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy may be used, or it may be challenged or removed by any editor. The obligation to provide a reliable source lies with the editors wishing to include the material, not on those seeking to remove it. In articles related to living persons also WP:BLP states: Editors should remove any controversial material about living persons that is either unsourced, relies upon sources that do not meet standards specified in Wikipedia:Reliable sources, or is a conjectural interpretation of a source. If primary research on the topic was done, publication oft the results in other venues such as peer-reviewed journals, other printed forms, or respected online sites is needed, and Wikipedia will report about this work once it becomes part of accepted knowledge. Consensus about the insertion of such material should be established prior to usage in the article at the talk page. --VirtualDelight 18:16, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

I have removed a large amount of unreferenced information from this article following a complaint (OTRS ticket#2006110910007418). Please cite reliable sources for all information in this and any other article in accordance with the Verifiability policy and Reliable sources guidelines. If possible, please use the footnote syntax to clearly designate which source supports a particular piece of information. —{admin} Pathoschild 19:12, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

This original concern about documentation and artistic provenance has been superseded by current attribution of design to John McHale as per Jeremy Hunt article on This Is Tomorrow, and the wiki site does quote sources so stop blocking and stubbing the text. You are Delight-fully out of date. Ottex 18.1.07 —70.48.169.175 22:12, 18 January 2007

The revision in question does not cite verifiable and reliable sources. Every statement in the article should be confirmed by reliable, preferably online sources listed under a 'References' section. For copyright reasons, we cannot copy text wholesale from a website or publication. For an example of a well-sourced article, see The Red Jumpsuit Apparatus. —{admin} Pathoschild 02:02, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup

The text needs proofreading, online sources, and <ref> tags matching individual statements or paragraphs to particular sources. —{admin} Pathoschild 01:44, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

I've started this process. It will take a while, and I'd be happy if others helped. I'm really quite concerned about the original research and non-NPOV item in this and John McHale related articles. There's obviously a compaign by McHale's son (and possibly others) to rewrite history. What they are saying may be true, but unless verifiable sources are added beyond interviews with the son, it's original research. We can explain that claims are being made towards certain rethinking of McHale's vs. Hamilton's roles in Pop Art history, but it can't at this time be stated as fact. Wikipedia is meant to be neutral. Freshacconci 13:47, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

YET ANOTHER 'FRESH' HACK JOB. Footnotes with numbers will be provided as seen fit, they are not imperative by wiki rules.For example Hamilton's site has no fotnotes and evidently you have totally ignored screwing around with his site.Ottex 3.5.07

(PS: the above comments aren't intended as some sort of "instruction" or explanation of wiki policies to Pathoschild; I'm just using his comment to branch off. I just realized that it may read that way, however). Freshacconci 13:49, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] diner?

I have removed the following from the Diner page:

 The Duchess Diner John McHale the Pop artist frequented in the mid 1950's was on Chaple Street near Crown, in New Haven, Connecticut.

While I think it's fine to note people's favorite diners in their biographies, I don't think the diner page should list everyone's favorite diner; that would get unwieldy pretty quickly. But since I don't have a source, and since this article is kind of a mess anyway, I'm just dropping it here for posterity. -- Akb4 20:26, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Akb this was listed under "Trivia" on a competely different site, if you did not catch the humerous artistic relevance to McHale's POP art work at Yale as documented with Diner photo in MIT Robbins Aesthetics of Plenty page 87: John McHale photo of American Diner (New Haven) 1955, then that is Just What Is too bad.Ottex 3.5.07

If you'r resorting to 'Fresh'acconci pot Ad hominem at least get your 'crack pot' moniker correct: McHale Sr. was the Father of POP, with sons, and was a Crack POP Artist. Also, if you continue your hack edits get you modern art facts correct about McHale+ Victor Pasmore and British Constructivism. Ottex 4.10.07