Talk:John Madden (football coach)

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The result of the debate was oppose for move. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 11:18, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

I've already moved the previous article "John Madden" to John Madden (disambiguation). This John Madden is far better known, and has a far more developed article, than any other person with the same name. --zenohockey 05:45, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

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• Support - Most of the redirects to the disamb are referencing to the American football commentator. A--J. Nguyen 15:25, 27 December 2005 (UTC) After thinking about it, I heard of the hockey player and filmaker John Maddens but they're not as well known in the United States and say the American football commentator. John Madden is just not an unique name. Oppose. --J. Nguyen 15:54, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
• Oppose - I disagree with the judgement on moving this over unambiguated John Madden. I believe it should stay where it is. --Improv 05:58, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
• Oppose, I think - the football guy may well be the best known John Madden, but then being the director of Shakespeare In Love or one of the best defensive forwards in the NHL sound like pretty good jobs too. sjorford (talk) 23:56, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
• Oppose - To assume that someone typing John Madden in Wikipedia is only looking for the former coach seems kind of presumptuous. --Cholmes75 21:08, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
• Support - When you hear the name John Madden, this is who you think of. There may be others with the name, but this is the most famous and one most are likely searching for. --Mrskippy 00:16, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

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• The NHL player and the director named John Madden are notable—that's why they have pages on Wikipedia, after all—but the average Wikipedia user is far, FAR more likely to be looking for the football analyst than either of them. Remember, the standard, according to WP:RDR, is: "Ask yourself: When a reader enters this term and pushes 'Go', what article would they realistically be expecting to view as a result?" Admit it: the first John Madden that comes to mind is this one. --zenohockey 05:21, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

That's kind of presumptuous, deciding for all visitors what the first John Madden to come to mind will be. Outside America, it's probably likely enough to be the director; that's who I was originally looking for today, anyway... 81.104.164.2 04:14, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

I disagree, I live in Britain and think that 90% of English speaking people would be looking for the John Madden associated with football. I have never heard of the other John Maddens and think that there should be one of those links that you click on to find the others who are so much less famous. --Wikipediatastic 16:05, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

I live in Canada, where hockey is king. Even then, the most well-known John Madden is this one. Kirjtc2 16:12, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

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