Talk:John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt

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( There was an earlier attmpt to propose this page for deletion that was left incomplete)

this page is the coolest ( Old comment - from history 22:27, 20 Aug 2004 216.254.16.162)

So starting again ..... --Cje 08:09, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Delete Not notable - no reason for this to be in Wkipedia --Cje 08:09, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)

  • Keep - A fairly well known nursery rhyme. Smerdis of Tlön 11:36, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep - very well known nursery rhyme. Could use some context and history (it's best labeled a stub at the moment) but I think it's a legitimate piece of American folklore with some odd German overtones. --Fastfission 16:05, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep - well-known and wholly notable Whosyourjudas (talk) 16:08, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. Very notable, and needs expansion if anything. [[User:Livajo|力伟|т]] 18:36, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep; as above. — Bill 19:20, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. [[User:Rhymeless|Rhymeless | (Methyl Remiss)]] 19:31, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • OK. Clearly its notable - even though I never heard it in my 10 years in America. So I've learned something new. I withdraw my proposal for deletion. Does need expansion though. --Cje 19:38, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)
    • I have tried to expand the page a bit. Smerdis of Tlön 20:19, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)
    • Thanks! Now John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt is no longer a deadend page, which is where this all started. --Cje 21:22, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. Valid subject, decent article. — Gwalla | Talk 02:04, 7 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. His name is my name too! Mike H 02:32, Oct 7, 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep, and curse you, Mike H, for doing that joke before I could. —tregoweth 17:49, Oct 7, 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep, with Tregoweth's sentiment! --Jerzy(t) 16:46, 2004 Oct 8 (UTC)
  • STOP!, Enough is enough. Clearly I will go down in wikipedian history as "the newby who tried to delete John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt" --Cje 19:08, 8 Oct 2004 (UTC)

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[edit] Is this a nursery rhyme?

I removed bits saying it's a nursery rhyme from the article because I don't think it follows the pattern of a typical nursery rhyme. It may technically be one in origin, but I wouldn't expect it to appear in a Mother Goose collection or anything. My specific problems with this classification are the infinite repetition, the "da da da da da da da" at the end, and it doesn't have a "poetic" feel to it (though it does have a rhyming line); none of these are characteristic of nursery rhymes. - furrykef (Talk at me) 15:43, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

  • Abt origins, i know nothing. But if it's a nursery rhyme, it's the only one i know that's also a summer-camp campfire song. & BTW, i learned with "Pickleheimer" (or "Pickelheimer" FAIK), and "Yah" ("Ja"?) 8 times at the end. And FWIW, my kid Nordic-[ra]dar said "Swedish".
--Jerzy·t 16:19 & 16:27, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
      • Unfortunately I don't have any evidence to back this up but my grandmother had always told me the song was a jingle for a law firm. Which given the names would make sense

[edit] Variation

I learned the song as John Jacob Jingleheimer Smith. Is this a common enough variant to be worth noting? --152.7.49.221 02:35, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

When we used to sing this, we started loudly and then get softer--except for the last da-da-da-da-da-da part, which got louder each time until we were practically screaming it. Anybody else do this?

The version I learned is that after the "his name is my name too" line you would say "G-d forbid!" Is this notable? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by The Saxby (talk • contribs) The Saxby.

[edit] How old is the song?

Snyder, Jerry (1985). Children's Songs for Guitar: 100 Songs for Early Childhood ISBN 0769212743 contains the song with the author's arrangement being copyright 1976; the authorship is given as "traditional." Шизомби 21:21, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] As far as i know

It's from an english learning book and cassete tape set.

I had this book and tape 20 years ago, and sadly i lost them.

Anyway it's actually a story about a new born boy and he's got too many

relatives and every uncles and aunts wanted to name the boy after their

own name, so the parents had to name their child that long name.

Someday the John Jacob boy came across another boy whose name's

also John Jacob Jingle-Heimer Schmidt.

That book had all the texts, lyrics and drawings describing the scenes.

and the tape contained all the stories and songs.

I'm Korean in case if you want to know. and i can't find that book

here anymore. Frankly i'm suprised you never heard of that book.

[edit] Origin

Doees anyone have any idea where it first originated? Who was he?

24.6.221.189 00:46, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

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