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[edit] "We need more babies"

Does anyone think this might warrant a mention? Cdswtchr 09:50, 16 May 2006 (UTC)


[edit] One-Track Article

This article seems obsessed with Gibson's allegations against the BBC. Perhaps this should be fixed.

--Thudgens 06:01, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The article should be expanded. What else has he done? Tim Ivorson 11:16, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The allegations against the BBC led to a censure against his station by the British regulator; he is otherwise unknown outside his own country so it's a fairly big deal. I agree that it would be nice to know what else he has done. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 12:30, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

In America he's known mostly for his show on Fox News and his book, Hating America. --Thudgens 19:01, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)

Not that I agree or disagree, but could someone please show me the research indicating John Gibson is "otherwise unknown outside his own country". Going off of the coverage area for Fox News, it appears that his show reaches a great number of people.

[edit] Cut it out

This is twice I've struck redundant comments from two different sections. And others have done the same thing. Whichever idiot keeps posting TWO SECTIONS containing the same quotes, stop it. Kade 23:04, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Right-wing

What's the objection to his being labelled "right-wing"? He pretty clearly is. JDoorjam 17:33, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

“Right-Wing” is a loaded term. Why label him at all? Don’t his actions and his associations label him enough? Besides Bill O’Reilly, Andy Rooney, Dan Rather and many others don’t have labels. And “right-wing journalist” is an oxymoronic phrase anyway. It sounds like the euphemism for a propagandist or worst. Zizzo 21:43, 12 January 2006

And this is too much. Both Ann Coulter & Michael Moore are without labels. Coulter is defined as an “American syndicated columnist” and Moore is an “American film director”. Zizzo 07:26, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Discussion about whether he is a propagandist aside, whether other articles have such labels is irrelevant to the question of whether saying he is "right-wing" (or "conservative," if that is more to your taste) is pertinent to the article. Whether his actions and associations label him enough is not the same as this article fully explaining his political stances, which "right-wing" seems to encapsulate pretty well. Giving a snapshot of information that provides an understanding of the subject is the point of an encyclopedia, right? JDoorjam 12:32, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Gibson’s political leanings are only part of the picture. It would show favoritism to label some hosts and not others. What the label does show is bias. It wasn’t included in earlier histories of this article and its adds only an impartiality by including it now. Giving a “snapshot” is not the same as “drawing someone a picture”, if you get my meaning.
The article “fully explaining his political stances” is not covered in the label, it is covered in the body of the article, or a least it should be.
Zizzo 17:54, 13 January 2006 (UTC)


Labels being used in some articles and not others is simply not a reason not to include something, nor is precedent. Do you really think Gibson is not biased? Do you believe he's not on the "right wing"? You still haven't contended that the statement is false. JDoorjam 22:36, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

When labels are not used to describe the political slants of Moore or Coulter, I fail to see the benefit on this article. What happen to the NPOV issues? I don’t find “right-wing” to be all together false. I find the sentence to be far more accurate without its inclusion. A better label would be “author”. I would remove the word “journalist” and let “TV Host” & “author” label him. I find it bothersome to make political slants, because no one is without bias, the political center is always moving and individualistic. Are you sure “right-wing” is accurate? In the article histories “right of center” was used. But political bias is more a fingerprint than a color. I think it is clear in which ways Gibson is biased with the mention of his book “War on Christmas”. Everyone should make this call on their own. Zizzo 00:26, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

I absolutely agree with you on "author" instead of journalist. Political bias is more a fingerprint than a color; with that said, Mr. Gibson's smudge is rather ruddy. He's more than far enough into his political extreme that it's safe to label him as "right-wing," just like Coulter, or Moore on the left. With that said, I suppose one could also say that Coulter could also undebatably be described as "a blonde American syndicated columnist..." but its accuracy doesn't have much to do with its relevance. Or maybe not using controversial political labels is Just Another Small Sacrifice To Wiki Political Diplomacy. Please understand that I'm not belaboring the point because I think you're incorrect, but precisely the opposite, or half-opposite: I haven't made up my own mind on the issue and it's good to hear an argument about it one way or the other. JDoorjam 05:31, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
I hope you find my “regarded as a social and political conservative” agreeable. I don’t know if it is true, but it must be accurate. You are right in saying Gibson is “right-wing” and I would have easily have agree before with the label “conservative”, if I didn’t search and find others that weren’t labeled. There is an argument on the right that states people on the left aren’t given labels and can fly by undetached. Surprisingly I have found this site very neutral. I was told otherwise. Zizzo 08:20, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
Here's the beginning of the Ann Coulter article: "Ann Hart Coulter (born December 8, 1961) is a conservative American syndicated columnist, bestselling author, and television pundit. Her commentary has earned her a reputation as a strong critic of social and political liberalism. Her speaking and writing style is provocative and aggressive." Michelle Malkin, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, are all labelled conservative. But Maureen Dowd, Molly Ivins, Frank Rich, Paul Krugman -- none of these are labelled as liberal. Why is this? WBcoleman 09:54, 27 February 2006 (UTC)


I came across this article by accident. Right wing is clearly a pejorative term and is used thus in American political discourse. It is the same thing as calling someone at the opposite end of the spectrum leftist or radical. Moreover, there is no such thing as a right wing journalist or left wing journalist: to take political positions is the act of editorialists and commentators. Of course we all know that human beings are capable of bias, and if a news reporter does show bias in any direction it should be documented. But it is clear that this individual, who I dislike, is not a journalist but a commentator. It would be like calling Arriana Huffington a journalist. If you truly believe that he is right wing then let the article's facts demonstrate that. But to use the same adjectives that an ideological opponent of theindividual in question would use gives the clear appearance of lack of objectivity. Please consider the integrity of Wikipedia. Do not be guided by animus for an individual or cause but for love of your ideals. Firmitas 21:31, 3 March 2006 (UTC)


I just read some of this wackos comments. Calling him a conservative comentator is far more effective in getting where you guys want to go with the right wing label. Let the facts speak for themselves. Avoid politically charged labers, state the facts and trust in the people making the correct judgement on where this individual heart and mind lies. Firmitas 21:44, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Is it just me or does he look like a rabbit? All joking aside, would it be helpful to the article by having his known controversy in its current section, but moving the quotes section to wikiquote?


[edit] White Supremacist

His comments on babies, Christmas and homosexuality qualifies him as a White Supremacist. A closet Grand Wizard, I suppose?

No. Christmas and homosexuality have nothing to do with race. Aaрон Кинни (t) 02:10, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

His comment is aimed not at promoting a white racial majority, but rather at pointing out that American whites are reproducing at or below replacement levels, thus leading to dramatic demographic transformation across certain regions. His stated views are what they are, but "White Supremacist" is an awfully strong term for banter commonly heard across the country (and I am from VT).

[edit] Quotations

Per a similar edit at Rick Santorum, I've removed the quotations sections. If they can be worked into the body of the article, great, but on their own it's just lists of zingers... that's more the job for Wikiquote than the 'pedia. JDoorjam Talk 23:51, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Anti-science/Anti-Intellectual?

His comments on the reclassification of Pluto reek of a lack of understanding of how science works.

"But no, you can't unmake Pluto as a planet.

Long ago I learned it was a planet and I see no reason to unlearn it. Why should I?

Somebody somewhere, some mysterious person who answers to no one and seems to have dictatorial power sets new standards for planets and all of a sudden one of the original nine is dropped?"

"Actually I don't know why Pluto got itself unmade as a planet. I didn't even read the rest of the story, frankly.

The headline was all I needed to see to know I'm rejecting this attempt at revisionist history."

Using a loaded terms like "revisionist history" and "dictatorial powers" to describe a decision made by an assembly of experts appears to demonstrate ignorance of the process or malice towards science.

Source 1: http://science.slashdot.org/science/06/08/25/2034201.shtml Source 2: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,210358,00.html

66.45.156.235 06:50, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

I completly agree. As the writer of the Pluto section, I tried to keep the entry as encyclopediac sounding as I could, while still portraying to the reader this mans "unique" way of thought. However, on this page, I have no problem expressing my opinion that John Gibson is probably the most idiotic douche on all of Fox News. When I was watching his show and he responded to a letter decrying his opinion of Pluto, his response was something along the lines of "well you seem to be getting quite bent out of shape over nothing. All I said was that I'm going to keep calling Pluto a planet and nobody can tell me otherwise." I actually screamed at my TV "That's because you're a fucking idiot!". I was entranced by his utter stupidity. If I ever have any doubts that the Republican party is wrong for America, all I have to do to reafirm my faith is turn on Fox News and imagine what the world would be like if John Gibson was in charge. Spazik007 02:31, 27 August 2006 (UTC)


Spazik007... I agree with what you say, but since Wikipedia tries to maintain NPOV, this is irrelevant to the article. Also, a couple of pieces of personal advice: watching FOX News is a waste of time (they are not going to change and you are helping with their ratings) and please check your spelling before placing something in the article. 66.45.156.235 20:30, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh don't get me wrong, I love the concept of wikipedia and strive very hard to make all my writings NPOV. On the discussion page however, I don't see a problem with expressing ones opinions. It's called the "discussion" page after all, and even if were discussing our personal thoughts and feelings it usually still relates to the discussion of the article in some way. Spazik007 02:54, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

I disagree with the overall basis of this line of criticism. I have watched the segment, and indeed was watching it live when it first aired. It appears to me, and my friends agree, that the comment was intended somewhat in jest. He is not attempting to undermine science (probably), and commonly uses loaded terms such as "revisionist history" when joking. Furthermore, I believe that the intent of the segment was to question more the editing of an established definition "planet" to exclude a fixture in Americans' world-view. Thus, it is not "science" per se that he takes exception with, but rather revision of an establised definition.

[edit] Pluto

What's with the Pluto section? The conclusion of it is pretty politically charged and that shouldn't be. If the story is worth mentioning at all, it shouldn't be a whole section right at the top of the page. I'm not going to delete it now, but we should definitely look at whether stuff like that should be left in.Papercrab 02:15, 29 August 2006 (UTC) I'll admit the the ending is a bit politically charged, but that's the way some things are. Just because a person doesn't like the fact that their house caught fire doesn't mean it didn't happen. The statement I made certainly isn't innacurate, I'm sure a large majority of non biased points of view would agree that the Pluto thing is an accurate metaphor for traditionalist sentimentalism. In fact it's not even a metaphor, it's exactly what it is. So maybe I could change the wording a bit. The reason I gave it it's own section is the same reason his BBC encounters got their own section. In the minds of many people it was an intellectual faux pas of unbridled purportions, and has perhaps gotten more attention and negative criticism then even his call for white people to have more children in order to fight back the minorities. However, I can concede that there are valid points to your arguement as well. Spazik007 23:51, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] John Gibson has stated that he is a registered Independent

From a transcript of Bill Maher's Real Time on HBO, Gibson states that he is registered Independent: Bill Maher And Fox's John Gibson On Being A Registered Independent, The CIA Being At War With The Administration And Joe Wilson Was The One Who Outed Valerie Plame. -- Dcflyer 19:43, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

I could state I own a flying car, but that doesn't make it so. You would do yourself an intellectual favor by looking at his actions instead of his words. Spazik007 19:59, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Please review WP:V. The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. Isarig 22:54, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
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