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[edit] John frum seems to be derrived

The 2nd paragraph states: "The name John Frum is sometimes considered a corruption of "John from (America)"" the 5th paragraph ends: "The name "John Frum" is possibly derived from World War II GIs introducing themselves to the locals as "John from America"" this seems a bit double.

[edit] Vanuatu versus New Hebrides

Vanuatu hasn't been called New Hebrides for 24 years, as far as I know. Is it necessary to keep this archaism?

I think the idea is that at the time of Jon Frum's emergence, it was called the New Hebrides, hence it is written as "associated with cargo cults in the New Hebrides (now Vanuatu)" rather than "associated with cargo cults in Vanuatu." —Stormie 01:29, Jun 30, 2004 (UTC)
How about "associated with cargo cults in Vanatu (then the New Hebrides)"? --Thomas 19:09, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)
When I originally wrote the article I wasn't too clear on the geography, having gotten my information out of various older books. It should probably say "Vanuatu". silsor 03:46, Nov 10, 2004 (UTC)
Use the place name contemporary with the event. You wouldn't write "In 1066, William of Normandy invaded the United Kingdom (then England)." --Tysto 18:11, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Need more detail

There's a lot of unexplained details here. For example, who exactly is "Rushfeld"? - Keith D. Tyler 23:55, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Copyright violation

I've just reverted this article because the previous version seemed to be a Copyright violation. Much of the article seems to have been taken wholesale from this website. Please feel free to update the formatting and content with material from later revisions, but please make sure material is not taken directly from this website. The Jade Knight 21:57, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jon versus John

Most articles I've seen on the subject give the name as "John Frum". Why is the article using "Jon"? See for example the recent and definitive Smithsonian article. Jeffr 17:34, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Because the anthropology textbook I used to create the original version of the article used "Jon", having been published in the 1960s. silsor 20:20, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
I've moved it to John, which seems more prominent.--Cúchullain t/c 08:11, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Military population

It seems implausible to me that a small archapelago like Vanuatu could be the base of 300,000 US troops during WWII. Could this be more like 30,000?

--- yeah, i mean, how could 300,000 people fit on 100km2 of island, when a mere 8.2 million fit on 830km2 of island elsewhere. ~Ash Ponders 149.169.15.181 17:20, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, islands elsewhere where there are well established transport links, industrial-scale food production, etc.. It's possible, but unlikely. How many US troops were there altogether in 1945? JackWasey

Usually black? All the references I have read say that John Frum is white, and quote people from Vanuatu saying this. Need a reference to say that the majority of US servicemen IN VANUATU were black or white, if relevant to the article at all.

I'll look for references, but most of the ones I've read say John Frum is usually black, as in African American, but is sometimes white, and is always American, though not always a GI. The one ref off the top of my head is John Frum He Come: A Polemical Work about a Black Tragedy by Edward Rice. I don't understand what you mean requesting a reference for whether the majority of US servicemen in Vanuatu were black or white. Why would that be relavent to this article?--Cúchullain t/c 03:30, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dangling sentence

The last sentence in the second paragraph appears to be a completely spurious reference to the UK census. Does anyone know why it's there? Leftover from a previously removed section, perhaps?

Bagheera 00:17, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

No, I (or someone) forgot to close the <ref> in a reference. It's fixed now.--Cúchullain t/c 23:15, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] John From Movement,Inc.

I added the external link to their site, as well as the alternative spelling "John From". I do not know if the site is what it purports to be, but it certainly is pertinent!Lee 15:00, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

It's not what it purports to be, it's the homepage of some Australian huckster claiming to be the savior of Tanna. But it is pertinent, so it should probably be left in.--Cúchullain t/c 20:01, 10 March 2007 (UTC)