Talk:John F. Kennedy International Airport

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Contents 1 Location 2 Name 3 Terminals 4 Tragedy 5 Why was this moved? 6 The Christopher Elliot comment 7 Significant Presence 8 New York-JFK or New York-Kennedy?? 9 SriLankan Airlines (Formerly Air Lanka) 10 Chairs 11 Abandoned Runways 12 Destinations 13 Ground Transportation 14 Terminal 7 15 Semi-Protected 16 Helipad

[edit] Location

Is it entirely on the coast of the bay, or is part of it actually in the bay? (Did they extend a runway beyond the natural coastline onto landfill that they dumped in the bay?)

[edit] Name

I think that this page should be renamed to the fuller "John F. Kennedy International Airport", since the airport is also well known under this name. WhisperToMe 00:57, 19 Nov 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Terminals

I added a new short stub relating to the Pan AM worldport called Worldport (Pan Am). i also added some information related to the architects of the Worldport in the kennedy main article, and am wondering because there is so much info on the individual terminals, they might need their own longer articles and need to pull out that sort of information from the kennedy main article. As info is added on the structures, they might get too long. For instance, the TWA terminal deserves a very long wikipedia article, as it has been written about alot through the years. BrandlandUSA 12:14, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tragedy

The word tragedy has been in the article since the first version. I strongly disagree with those who state that it is POV. Are we now required not to offend al-Qaeda supporters? Brooklyn Nellie (Nricardo) 23:21, Apr 13, 2004 (UTC)

Its not necessary to call it a tragedy. Let the reader decide if September 11 was a tragedy or not. WhisperToMe 23:32, 13 Apr 2004 (UTC)

It may be tragic, but the word Tragedy suggests a certain amount of inevitability. Y control 14:35, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Why was this moved?

Is there a reason "New York/" was added? That does not seem to be part of the official or common name. --SPUI (talk) 23:46, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I have moved it back, after finding no evidence of a name change. --SPUI (talk) 00:06, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I was just about to do the same. That was exactly the right thing to do. Nohat 00:13, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

There are three airports in the New York area and to avoid confusion with which one. Like O'Hare is Chicago O'Hare. SNIyer12 19:14, 7 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Yep, but they don't do that in New York. WhisperToMe 20:19, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] The Christopher Elliot comment

Does this deserve to be here? I did a Google search on him, and the results were weak, at best. Pacific Coast Highway 18:44, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Significant Presence

I've removed the line that BA has a significant presence and someone has been restoring it. Being the leading non-US carrier out of Kennedy does not earn British Airways special mention. They have 8 flights a day to their hubs (7 to London, 1 to Manchester). American, United, and Air Canada each have 10-11 flights a day out of Heathrow and SAS has 20, so do they have a significant presence there? Dbinder 22:36, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

I sort of think that while BA only has a certain number of flights, maybe it continues to be reinserted because they have a name at the top of the terminal. it does indicate they have a larger presence than other international carriers, but see both pointsBrandlandUSA 12:07, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New York-JFK or New York-Kennedy??

When listing the destinations of airlines that fly to this airport, what is the best designation for JFK? New York-JFK or New York-Kennedy? I think that the designation should be listed as "New York-JFK" because every single airport article on Wiki have "New York-JFK" as the designation for JFK Airport. What are your suggestions? Bucs2004 20:18, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

I'd go for New York-JFK, since I don't think people say "I'm flying from Kennedy to XXX" but rather "I'm flying from JFK to XXX". Elektrik Blue 82 21:46, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Okay, because I saw one user kept putting the designation "New York-Kennedy" instead of "New York-JFK" under the airport articles Louis Armstrong New Orleans International Airport and Austin Bergstrom International Airport but I have switched it back from "New York-Kennedy" to "New York-JFK". Bucs2004 22:15, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Kennedy or JFK are both acceptable according to Wiki:Airports Talk page. I would stick with Kennedy, though, since other cities with multiple airports don't use the codes. Such as Hobby, LaGuardia, O'Hare, Midway, Intercontinental, Dulles, etc., etc. 70.123.197.99 01:05, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

I agree but I would recommend looking at all the airport articles and see that "New York-JFK" is used and not "New York-Kennedy". But you can feel free to change them all to Kennedy but I think it will look weird. Bucs2004 02:22, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

It would be easier to change this sole code JFK to Kennedy than to change LaGuardia to LGA, Dulles to IAD, Hobby to HOU, O'Hare to ORD,... 70.123.197.99 04:42, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

What exactly is the determining factor in naming the airport? IMHO, it should be named according to what it is more commonly known. It just happens that JFK is known by its IATA code. Can there be a vote on this if it is an issue? Elektrik Blue 82 05:55, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] SriLankan Airlines (Formerly Air Lanka)

What terminal does SriLankan Airlines (Formerly Air Lanka) go to? I did not see it in the list of airlines at each terminal. 69.138.62.148 04:58, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

AFAIK, JFK is not a destination of UL. It only codeshares with EK on flights to JFK. Elektrik Blue 82 07:27, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Chairs

Are the chairs in other terminals as impossible to sit in without slouching down & compressing your spine as they are in Terminal 7? --JimWae 04:04, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Abandoned Runways

There are at least 3 abandoned runways at JFK that have been converted to taxiways. They've always looked obvious to me from the airport diagram. I've only seen mention of them on an airliners.net discussions board which is not reliable enough to use as a source. If anyone has more info on them with a definitive source we may want to include it in the article. Taxiway L and a section of taxiway Y were runway 7R/25L. This runway was abandoned either after Worldport was constructed or expanded. The instrument approach lights for it were mounted on wood pilings extended into Jamaica Bay. The wood pilings are still there and easiy visible on Google Earth. Taxiway Z was once runway 1R/19L. Taxiway E was a commuter plane runway 14/32 and only recently converted to a taxiway. Runways 7L/25R and 1L/19R have been completely built over though. [1]

SkyWayMan 02:45, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Destinations

Doesn't United operate a direct flight to Tokyo-Narita (UA891 via LAX) and a direct flight to Melbourne (UA839 via LAX and SYD) so shouldn't these be included as they're direct flights?Blahx100 13:31, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

also US Airways flies JFK-LAS-DEN (US601 operated by America West) so should that be included too?Blahx100 13:34, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

United also flies to Hong Kong from JFK (direct flight, UA891 JFK-LAX-NRT-HKG) so should that be included too?Blahx100 13:38, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

UA also has a direct flight to Seoul-Incheon (UA893 via SFO) so should that go in too?Blahx100 13:41, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

US airways flies JFK-LAS-SAN (US532 operated by America West-does that go in too?Blahx100 13:43, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

If I am correct, these are faux direct flights, the airline uses just one flight number but there is an aircraft change in the last US city (ie. LAX or SFO) before proceeding to a foreign destination. And because of that, we don't list it here. See WP:AIRPORTS for details. Cheers. /ɪlεktʃɹɪk bluː/ 14:59, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

From the WP:AIRPORTS page:

List non-stop and direct flights only. That means the flight number and the aircraft, starts at this airport and continues to one or more airports. Avoid using the description 'via' since that is more correctly listed as another destination. If passengers can not disembark at a stop on a direct flight, then do not list it as a destination or as 'via'. Direct flights are not always non-stop flights. However, avoid listing most domestic United States direct flights, as virtually all of these are simply flights from one "spoke city" to a hub, with the plane continuing from the hub to a second spoke city. Including these flights dramatically increases the length of destination listings, artificially inflates the airline's presence at a location and requires constant updating, as these "timetable direct" destinations have little rhyme or reason and may change as often as every week or two.

therefore the US Airways flights shouldn't be included but what about the United Flights? This doesn't say anything about plane changes. Blahx100 07:25, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

"...the flight number and the aircraft..." means no plane changes. DB (talk) 18:29, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

An anon. editor continued to list Qantas as serving LAX from JFK. Qantas does not operate this route. This route is operated by American with a Qantas flight number, and connects to a Qantas flight at LAX. If this editor is reading this, please stop restoring this incorrect information. It will be removed each time. Neo16287 20:10, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

To the above person: Qantas does fly its own planes between JFK and LAX once per day as Qantas Flight 108, which continues to Sydney. However, domestic passengers can't fly Qantas from JFK to LAX. Yes, American does have Qantas codeshares on its flights from JFK to LAX, but one flight is actually operated by Qantas on a Qantas aircraft. I made the latest change to the article, but I made a note of how domestic passengers can't fly Qantas to LAX. I think my edit might be a little bit wordy, however, so if someone wants to fix it up then go ahead. Please note that I was not the individual previously adding LAX as a Qantas destination. Aaporter 87 00:14, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ground Transportation

Am I the only one who thinks that the Helicopter section reads like an advertisment? Rob110178 07:31, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Terminal 7

Anon. editors continue to tout this terminal as the British Airways Terminal. Terminal 7 was the BA terminal at one time, but today is used by more airlines than just BA. It has not been referred to as the British Airways Terminal in official or legitimate writings for some time now. Please stop renaming Terminal 7 the British Airways Terminal. Your edit is incorrect, and will be reverted. Neo16287 22:36, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

I have requested semi-protection on this article seen here: Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_protection. If approved, hopefully this will make the load lighter.. Rob110178 23:52, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Semi-Protected

Semi-Protection has been applied, hopefully this will help the article Rob110178 00:05, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Excellent. Thank you! Neo16287 02:58, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Helipad

When there is regular Helicopter service from JFK to Downtown Manhattan, why is there no mention of a helipad on the list of runways? Braditude 08:34, 1 April 2007 (UTC)