Talk:John E. Douglas

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I think the E. should be removed from John E. Douglas as the guy's books dont print his name with the middle letter 'E.' and even at his own personal website he (John Douglas) doesn't have the E. in it's URL or on it's main page headings. The reason to remove it is, if you are search wikipedia for John Douglas (Special Agent, FBI, ret.) then you wont find the correct JD.. but rather be linked to a quite different JD's wiki-page. And finally kudos to whoever initially created this page, JD is a fucking living legend and true hero. Dirk Diggler Jnr 00:04, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Also this page needs help with 'redirecting' from near accurate user searches.. E.G. if you search for "john e douglas", your result will yield zero matches.. to get a match you have to actually include the '.' that comes after the 'e'. (Btw, the 'e' which the actual man himself does not use with his name when it is printed on the books he has written. Dirk Diggler Jnr 00:04, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] inspirations

This claim by Douglas, or more likely his publicists, since in his book Manhunter, Douglas merely says "Jack Crawford - the special agent some say was based on me" (p.172), is disputed.

For example - From The Crime Library article on profiling: "Author Thomas Harris received permission to go to meetings and learn everything he could about the men who did the profiling. From them, he devised the novels, Red Dragon (1981) and The Silence of the Lambs (1988). The latter was made into a movie in 1991, winning five Academy Awards, including Best Picture, and bringing even more fame to the unit. This was considered a great benefit --- for a while. DeNevi and Campbell say that unit chief Roger Depue was the model for Jack Crawford in The Silence of the Lambs. Other sources indicate that Ressler (including himself) was the model, while still others say that it was John Douglas, who says that Harris spent a lot of time with him, as did the movie crew. He describes in Mindhunter how he showed Scott Glenn, the actor playing Crawford, some crime scene photos as a way for him to understand what the life of an FBI profiler was really like. There was also some indication from the fact that Crawford's original name was going to be Campbell that the model was John Campbell, who was also involved in reading the script." http://www.crimelibrary.com/criminal_mind/profiling/history_method/16.html

and from Robert Ressler's book Whoever Fights Monsters: "some people still in the BSU have also taken to claiming that they were the models for the FBI characters in the book and movie Silence of the Lambs, though Harris has stated (and I agree) that the characters are entirely his own and not based on particular individuals" (p.275)

Given that Crawford was first created for Red Dragon the novel published in 1981, not for Silence of the Lambs in 1988, and that Crawford is actually the head of the unit and not the star profiler (Will Graham is the profiler, and therefore more likely to be based on Douglas or one of the other FBI profilers) and given that Douglas never actually makes this claim and it is directly disputed by several others, AND that Thomas Harris does not give interviews and therefore is most certainly not on record anywhere as having stated this... I am proposing taking this claim off the article. I think the other unsubstantiated claims of inspiration should be removed or reworded too. This is an excyclopedia based on facts not rumours and speculation.Aglie 00:12, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Doctorate degree?

Does anyone have more specific information on when/where he earned his doctorate degree? I found a reference (1999 Philadelphia Inquirer article) that says

Douglas opted for the Air Force, then received an undergraduate degree from Eastern New Mexico University, a master's from the University of Wisconsin, and a doctorate in education from Nova University in Florida.

but I cannot find a listing for him in the digital dissertation's database. Ydorb 19:40, 12 December 2006 (UTC)