Talk:John Carne Bidwill

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Assessment comments The following comments were left by the assessors: (edit · refresh) Class = Start: I think it has progressed beyond a stub in terms of Australian history, although it is composed almost completely from the Austrailian Dictionary of Biographies.Garrie 04:17, 16 January 2007 (UTC) Importance = Mid: Inaugural Director of Royal Botanic Gardens, Sydney. Botanist published in London Journal of Botany. Discovered significant plant species in Australia and New Zealand. Pioneer of the Queensland region. Early Magistrate. I think that makes him more important thah the average pokemon character.Garrie 04:17, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Link plant to article for naming botanist

I have been working on the article John Carne Bidwill. He is credited with Araucaria bidwillii. I am wondering on the most appropriate way to link Araucaria bidwillii to John Carne Bidwill - I don't normally work on plant articles so I don't know if there is a convention for this or something?

I know this really belongs on a wikiproject talk page but I can't find the appropriate one.Garrie 23:53, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

We usually put the link in the taxobox. But, actually, the plant is named after him, he is not credited with it. Usually in botany it is considered not quite polite to name a plant after yourself. A. bidwillii was first described and named in the scientific literature by Karl Koch. The way to link the Biwill the man to plants named after him is to simply list plants named after him, making them wikilinks. KP Botany 00:07, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Here is a botanist who named a lot of genera, see the list of genera on his page, how they're wikilinked. Hipólito Ruiz López KP Botany 00:09, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

KP - thanks, if it goes in the taxobox I guess. Fair enough if Bidwill didn't do the article, but he discovered it (in scientific terms - I mean it was an indiginous food source for quite a while already ;) ). I'm not a scientist so the meaning of "Hook" in the name wasn't apparent to me. I understand how to mention Araucaria bidwillii at John Carne Bidwill to make that connection clear, my concern currently is John Carne Bidwill is an orphan article and so I want the link going back the other direction. But if he's not actually credited with categorisation of it I don't know what to write now anyway. Maybe, that it's named after him as the european discoverer of it? I'm happy for this discussion to move to John Carne Bidwill, it isn't really relevant to this article.Garrie 01:18, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

To unorphan the article you simply need to categorize it--but it looks like you've categorized it already. Yes, it probably was named after him as the European who discovered it, an extensive and common practice during the age of exploration, so just mentioning that should suffice. I see Hook. is already in the taxobox, as he should be for Araucaria bidwillii. I'll ask one of the Aussie plant folks to look this over--they do a good job on Wikipedia, and maybe he/she knows more about Bidwill. Do clarify, though, that much of the text is actually taken from the public source domain.

[edit] List of plants from IPNI

What happened to the plants from IPNI? I swear I posted it, and it took about an hour to sort, format, edit, delete, and link, plus another hour putting it together offline? KP Botany 03:21, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

KP, you have my honest sympathy for that one. I suffer the same %#$$& too often but thankfully for me at least, it's only talk page contributions I actually loose. For a re-create, the list below is excellent.Garrie 10:19, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

It's only excellent because you didn't see the first one. I had actually linked all possible species to their genera page, but there were only a few, and it will work. So, you've lost posts to talk pages before also? It happened to me once before, and I thought I was mistaken, but now I realize, nope, it had happened. Very frustrating. Anyway, someone can add these in a nice column in its own section of plants named after Bidwill. I will check synonymy at some point, but for now, it should be noted somehow that this hasn't been done. KP Botany 18:38, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Disappearing list

Here it is again, the list of species with "bidwillii" as a specific epithet from IPNI. I had sorted and formatted everything, but someone else will have to do it again. Again, as I said before, I haven't checked for synonymy, I didn't bother including authorities as so many are old names, with multiple authorities due to the families, and someone else will have to redo the work of linking species to genera for articles, oh, and may God help whoever checks the Scroph synonymies. Gymnosperms at end.

Akaniaceae Akania bidwillii
Annonaceae Miliusa bidwillii, Saccopetalum bidwillii
Asteraceae Aster bidwillii, Brachyglottis bidwillii, Helichrysum bidwillii, ''Ozothamnus bidwillii, Senecio bidwillii
Fabaceae Acacia bidwillii, A. bidwillii var. bidwillii, A. bidwillii var. major, A. bidwillii var. polytricha, A. bidwillii var. typica, Cracca bidwillii, Erythrina × bidwillii, Tephrosia bidwillii, T. bidwillii var. bidwillii, T. bidwillii var. densa
Gesneriaceae Cyrtandra bidwillii
Lauraceae Cryptocarya bidwillii
Loranthaceae Furcilla bidwillii, Loranthus bidwillii, Muellerina bidwillii, Phrygilanthus bidwillii
Myrtaceae Austromyrtus bidwillii, Babingtonia bidwillii, Gossia bidwillii, Myrtus bidwillii
Oleaceae Jasminum bidwillii
Proteaceae Lomatia bidwillii
Santalaceae Exocarpos bidwillii, Xylophyllos bidwillii
Sapindaceae Cupania bidwillii, Elattostachys bidwillii
Scrophulariaceae Hebe bidwillii, Parahebe bidwillii, Veronica bidwillii
Simaroubaceae Hyptiandra bidwillii, Hyptiandra bidwillii var. bidwillii, Hyptiandra bidwillii var. grandiuscula, Quassia bidwillii, Samadera bidwillii, Simaba bidwillii
Sterculiaceae Brachychiton bidwillii, Clompanus bidwillii, Sterculia bidwillii
Stylidiaceae Forstera bidwillii
Araucariaceae Araucaria bidwillii, Columbea bidwillii
Cupressaceae Libocedrus bidwillii
Podocarpaceae Dacrydium bidwillii, Halocarpus bidwillii, Podocarpus bidwillii
KP Botany 04:09, 20 January 2007 (UTC)