Talk:John Byrne
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PLEASE READ BEFORE POSTING: This is a forum for discussing changes and improvements to the John Byrne article only. This is not a message board and is not for posting your thoughts on Wikipedia or John Byrne in general. If you have something to contribute, please do not hesitate to do so, but please do not use this page as a soapbox because your rants will do nothing but waste everyone's time, including your own. Gamaliel 18:16, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
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[edit] Homeless footnotes
These notes don't appear to reference anything currently in the article:
- ^ Tuesday, January 6th, 2004 - In Other News. The Comics Journal: ¡Journalista!. Retrieved on January 31, 2006.
- ^ Dave what do you think of John Byrne's penciling of X-Men?. Nightscrawler's message board. Retrieved on February 3, 2006.
- ^ Erik Larsen speaks about George Perez!. The John Byrne Forum Archives. Retrieved on January 31, 2006.
- ^ John Byrne on Alan Moore. The John Byrne Forum. Retrieved on February 1, 2006.
- ^ John Byrne on The Onion. The John Byrne Forum. Retrieved on February 1, 2006.
Thought I'd post them here in case anyone wanted the references. Gamaliel 20:23, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Wikiquote
I had some time left over last week and think I've found a way to keep everyone happy by adding the material relevant to that rather than this area and simply providing the standard link in the related section.
In case anyone would like to add some of his most noteable quotes from the years 1983-1999, feel free to help out. :) Dave 18:29, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Online presence
Although I know WP:LIVING means we have to be careful here, I'm distressed at the degree to which this section has become muted. The minimizing of Johnston's comments seems to me tenuously justified - he is far from a tabloid writer, and in the case of Byrne, he's been scrupulously well-documented in what he's said, almost always containing links to specific threads and comments on Byrne's part. I know he's not the most popular guy in comics fandom, but I do feel like he's more notable and more reliable than this section suggests. He may write in a sensationalistic style, but let's face it - stories he flags as green-light have proven damn reliable.
I'm not saying we should go back to when this article was heavily dominated by criticism, but let's face it - some pretty serious and well-sourced accusations of racism (The Jessica Alba flap), of banning critics from his forums (Mark Waid, iirc), etc have been made. They should not be written off so lightly. Phil Sandifer 16:38, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
--- Muted? It's been gutted like an effin' fish. How can someone get away with saying the shit he has said and not have it be in the public record? The article should be neutral and balanced, but not excised of all the embarassing garbage he's spewn out. You are letting him run this page like he runs his web forum [insults snipped - Eloquence*]. Good going.
Fan: Then this all brings up the question of language. Do words have inherent meanings or just those we ascribe to them? If enough pros, in addition to the fans, say "speech bubble" then why wouldn't "bubble" be just as valid as "balloon"? JB says "balloon", someone else says "bubble", and they could both be right.
John Byrne: There are lots of people who call Black people "niggers". Are both terms "right"?
- I think I handled it all rather smoothly according to the rules through simply adding a Wikiquote link. I think we came into an agreement to leave it as is as a balanced solution. Of course some overzealous people seem to have vandalised it, but I just reverted it to the pre-destroyed format. Dave
- My apologies, I noticed that there had been other changes made as well. I re-reverted it to the last page with the addition of the vandalised column. Dave 16:55, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
- Indeed - I don't think we should restore the extended version of this, but I think incorporating one or two of the more choice quotes into the section would be more balanced. 24.136.38.121 13:57, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
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- Well, I've added some of the more relevant quotes (I.e. the ones I've been made aware of) to the Wikiquote section easily avalable through clicking the link beside the text, so that should be sufficient in itself. It simultaneously serves to squash distortions of what he's actually said and highlight the statements which others have tried to hide.
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- If you want people to take better notice of it we could always add 'For further examples see the Wikiquote link to the right' at the end of the 'Controversies on the Internet' column. Dave 09:59, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Table?
What's with the odd table after all the links and references? It seems to cover a random period of 13 years or so - why? --Charlesknight 09:09, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
- Those are sequence boxes. They're more at home on political and historical biographies where they show the succession of a particular post, i.e. for a President they'd show who preceeded and succeeded him in office. Some wikipedians have put them together for more minor successions like the sequence of writers/artists on particular Marvel comics as that box shows. Personally I think its overkill, but its their right. As to the random period of 13 years well that's just the blocks when Byrne was working for Marvel. There are gaps for when he was at DC, but DC wikipedians don't seem to be so keen on these boxes --Jason Kirk 12:00, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
But it just seems to be totally random - where's Iron-fist? Marvel Team-up? X-men: the hidden years? Spiderman:Chapter one? Where does Captain America/Batman go? --Charlesknight 12:20, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
- As far as I understand it they are only for titles where there has been a long run - i.e. an actual sequence to document where its worth showing forward and backward links to the next artists/writers in the sequence. Hidden Years, CP/Batman and Chapter One were standalone projects so there was no sequence of before and after creators. If you think a particular sequence is missing then you're free to can add it in, that's the beauty of wikipedia. :) --Jason Kirk 14:55, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Wikipedia controversy
Hey, mention this in the article please. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.230.140.240 (talk • contribs) 05:30, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
