Talk:John Brown
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This is an excellent and thorough article. My only suggestion would be to add some reference to the song "John Brown's Body" that emerged after his death (for which new lyrics were written as the "Battle Hymn of the Republic").
John Brown is a pretty common name. Another one is mentioned in Victoria of the United Kingdom.
Somebody needs to disambiguate this abolitionist John Brown that the song is about from Queen Victoria's John Brown that the movie Mrs. Brown is about and that I have a picture or two of that I want to post. -- isis 26 Aug 2002
- Maybe we should disambiguate by year of birth, eg "John Brown (1859)". I don't think we'll ever come up with a satisfying, simple, intuitive qualifier. "John Brown (Queen Victoria)" is a bit long and unwieldy. -- Tarquin 13:52 Aug 26, 2002 (PDT)
I was thinking of birth and death dates in parentheses and/or nationality: Scot and American. The only alternative I can see is to call one a lover and the other a fighter. -- isis
- We have used nationality before. See Piet Hein (Denmark) and Piet Hein (Netherlands). Rmhermen 16:24 Aug 26, 2002 (PDT)
I would much prefer to use dates to distinguish them, but that's not helpful in this case, because their lives overlapped [(1800 - 1859) for the abolitionist and (1826 - 1883) for the ghillie], so a person who knew the man they were looking up lived in the middle half of the 19th century would not be able to tell which it was. I think the nationality would be more helpful, but I'm not sure someone would know Victoria's John Brown was a Scot (if they just had his name mentioned in passing in some article about her), and Buchanan's John Brown could have been a Scot by birth (tho he wasn't).
So I would like to distinguish them by what they did, which raises the issue of how to label them. I was born and reared in Virginia, and the first epithet that comes to my mind for Buchanan's John Brown is "terrorist," which may not be NPOV enough, altho he WAS executed for treason and murder, and if that's not terrorism, what is? (Same problem with "fanatic," plus the other John Brown was gaga about Victoria, too, and so could merit that description.) I'd like to label Victoria's John Brown "ghillie" and then define that in the article, but that wouldn't help the person looking them up who didn't already know that term.
So the best I can suggest, thru gritted teeth, is "abolitionist" and "servant." Can anyone else, please, please, please, do better? -- isis
General discussion at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (people with the same name)
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[edit] Sheriff John Brown
Can anyone tell me, who sheriff John Brown was? In the songs Bad Boys (by Inner Circle), I Shot The Sheriff and Kinky Reggae (both by Bob Marley), there's always mentioned a sheriff called John Brown. Does anyone know more about it? Thanks and greetings -- CdaMVvWgS 21:41, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Links to here that require fixing
- Encyclopædia Perthensis mentions a John Brown (possibly a company, not a person) who was a publisher in Edinburgh in 1816
- Colonial Heads of the Bahamas mentions a John Brown who was acting Governor from 1786 to 1787
- Elections and parties in Norfolk Island mentions a John Brown who is a member of the Norfolk Legislative Assembly
- Sebastian Snow mentions a John Brown
- Rangers F.C. Hall of Fame mentions a John Brown who is a football player
- List of Members of the Canadian House of Commons - B mentions a John Brown who was elected in 1891 as Liberal member for Monck, Ontario
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Uncle G (talk • contribs).
- Thanks for listing them. If you'd contribute a short stub with basic biographical data on one or the other that would be great as well. -- User:Docu
[edit] Infamous raid?
The term used here is not objective
John Brown (abolitionist) (1800–1859), famous abolitionist who led an infamous raid on Harper's Ferry
There were at the time, and are today, enough people who think that this raid was not infamous (a very negative term) but rather glorious, and wonderful, and admirable, and what have you. Of course any of these terms would not be very objcetive either. I suggest cahnging it to
John Brown (abolitionist) (1800–1859), famous abolitionist who led a controversial raid on Harper's Ferry
There can be no question that the raid was controversial, that is an objective fact whether you are in favor of it or against it.
Comments, anybody?
Adam Keller 22:11, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] I LOVE CHEESE!!!!! AND MONKEY PAWS!!! FOOD IS A DREAM YOUR HEART MAKES
As i searched John Brown, i noticed " I LOVE CHEESE!!!!! AND MONKEY PAWS!!! FOOD IS A DREAM YOUR HEART MAKES" at the bottom of the page. Can someone please remove this unwanted line, which is probably posted by some hacker!!
Update: It has been deleted—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ainstushar (talk • contribs) 18:36, 10 December 2006 (UTC).
