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Contents 1 ? 2 Regarding biography 3 Violin bow 4 Guitars listing 5 Unlikely instruments 6 Chinese ancestry 7 Led Zeppelin 8 Led Zeppelin III 9 Edit the Non-Music Interest Section 10 Welsh? 11 PLAYED WITH KINKS 12 Styling 13 Bands 14 vandalism 15 Heavy 16 Post-Led Zeppelin Career, etc. 17 "Charles Obscure" 18 Citations 19 Added the Knebworth Concert 20 Cyclic referencing 21 Glyn Johns 22 Les Paul bought from Joe Walsh

[edit]  ?

Who exactly is this "noted guitar historian Robert Lynch" ?A google search on him throws up few hits related to guitar. And the relevant hits all seem to be ( going by the date of publication ) regurgitations of precisely two wikipedia articles - the ones on Jimmy Page and Al Di Meola. I suspect that these are vanity edits. Can anyone come up with some evidence of his notability? And wher are the references for his comments on Page?(70.56.218.159 05:27, 13 December 2006 (UTC))

I was wondering that myself. A book/magazine ref should be found soon to add some V to it or it should be turfed. Anger22 (Talk 2 22) 11:22, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Changed "Brian Pool and the Tremeloes" to the correct spelling "Brian Poole and the Tremeloes". So what if I'm a pedant?{unsigned|67.68.48.171}}

Also, Ritchie Blackmore played lead guitar on 'Just Like Eddie' by Heinz - not Page. Page would never ever have played sessions for Joe Meek because of his disliking of the way Meek worked and how the guitar sound was compressed and speeded up. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.155.141.215 (talk • contribs).

• Actually Page is confirmed to have done many sessions with Joe Meek, including Screaming Lord Sutch's 'She's Fallen In Love With A Monster Man'. Blackmore did the lead work on 'Just Like Eddie,' but Page played on Heinz' 'Digging My Potatoes.' ScottSwan 18:34, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Heston is in West London - not North London —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tori tait (talk • contribs).

It's very long, which is good, but it has no sections. It's almost as bad as a run-on paragraph or something.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.22.198.36 (talk • contribs).

Where is that black-and-white picture of Jimmy Page? 'The image cannot be found' now, despite any image searches of 'Jimmy Page wikipedia' that might suggest otherwise.

Whoever knows what I'm talking about and knows where to obtain it, please post the image where it once was. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.53.204.66 (talk • contribs).

[edit] Regarding biography

It seems to me that the existing biography was largely ripped from Page's official site. Shouldn't this be remedied? Also, I think there should be a proper discography here, given Page's stature in the musical world. --Zoso 00:24, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

That isn't Page's official site. To my knowledge he doesn't have one. El cactus 04:59, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Violin bow

I would like some info on the bow incident... When/Where? Mention it in the article perhaps? Redwolf24 10:51, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

Jimmy Page used a violin bow on his guitar many times, it wasn't just a single incident, infact I don't know a show where he didn't use it :) - although given the huge amount of LZ shows there must have been a few. He mostly used it on their song "Dazed and Confused", but also used it during "How Many More Times" in earlier performances (they stopped playing this live in around 1970, I think). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 218.215.7.203 (talk • contribs).

During some of Page's session work, he worked with a string ensemble. One of the violin players asked Page if he had ever considered using a bow on the guitar. Page said that it would not work because the bridge is not arced like a violin. But later, Page tried the technique and adapted to his legandary stage shows. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.105.35.75 (talk • contribs).

The violin Player was father of David MacCallum - famous for "The Man From U.N.C.L.E." in the 60s. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 194.6.107.209 (talk • contribs).

Not that this is relevant at all, but it also completely destroys the bow... :-P Firenexx 01:24, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Actuallly it doesn't destroy the bow unless you REALLY use the bow hard like Page did (he would really wail on the thing). It does however cover your guitar and strings in rosen which is a pain if you try and start to pick the strings again. You can really get some interesting sounds by using it though. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Grizzlydog (talk • contribs).

Page would often have his roadies either bring extra violin bows on the road or scope out a restringing shop, as his bow would become, as Firenexx put it, completely destroyed. :) Ledzepluvr 00:32, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Guitars listing

Under the guitars listing there's a Gibson "Black Beauty" Les Paul Custom. I'm assuming the listing refers to the one that was stolen from Page in the late 60's or early 70's (can't remember which, think it's the latter). Now, since he technically doesn't own the guitar, I was thinking that this entry maybe should be removed. I don't mind doing it myself, but I don't really want to edit articles if I'm unsure how others feel about the change. So please just share your thought. Raflmoe 16:44, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

This list doesn't indicate itself as being a list of Guitars Jimmy Page currently owns. I'm sure some of the other guitars may have been sold or fallen into various states of disrepair (he doesn't play them all constantly, after all. Some of them have to sit around in storage closets.) Therefore, it would seem it is just a list of "Guitars," or, more precisely, guitars that he's played a significant amount in the past. I don't think a change is necessary. You might want to note (This guitar was stolen in ____ (whatever year)) next to the guitar there, and put a source in the links at the bottom of the page. This would be harmless and I'm sure a lot of Page fans would be interested in this knowledge. firenexx 15:53, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

In the guitar listings, it is stated that he uses a "Harmony Acoustic". This acoustic is a mid 1960s Harmony Sovereign Dreadnaught Acoustic. While I'm not 100% sure, I believe this may be the guitar that the acoustic tracks of Stairway to Heaven were played on (I own one, and the similarity is amazing), but I could be wrong. christian.elliott 14:40, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Unlikely instruments

I removed "recorder, flute, tuba, computer keyboard, and airhorn" from the "other instruments" section- I've never heard or seen anything about him playing the instruments, and some of those just seem silly. If you can find a source for that info, feel free to add it back in. -albrozdude 23:27, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Chinese ancestry

This article says that Jimmy Page is 1/8 Chinese. I have pretty big knowlege of the subject, but I have never heard such a thing. Does anybody know wether it's true or nor? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.116.53.58 (talk • contribs).

That bugged me too. The only place(online) that says it, besides here, are the spam info pages that link all the info directly from wiki. Your probably pretty safe to turf it. IMO Cheers! Anger22 21:10, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

I have just written to the guy that added this and asked him to provide references Mikus666 21:29, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

ya know, i actually did always notice that he looked a bit eastern. but, of course, we need a ref. Joeyramoney 22:33, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

• I've seen pictures of Jimmy's mother and she definitely looks part-Asian. I don't know of an official source for the info, however. ScottSwan 18:37, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Led Zeppelin

Shouldn't their be a larger section on his work with Zep? All we have now is about three paragraphs. About a fifteen year period. Yeah. :p —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.233.42.51 (talk • contribs).

that's why led zeppelin has it's own page. Joeyramoney 22:31, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Led Zeppelin III

In the subtitle "Aleister Crowley/Occult Interests" it says that Page pressed two sayings into the front and back covers. I have a vinyl of this album, and nowhere that I can see does this exist. The article on the album itself doesn't contain this bit of info either. Has anybody heard of this, and if so, where is it on the cover? Plus we need a reference. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 4.239.147.121 (talk • contribs).

My father has the album, and I don't recall seeing it, and, since there's not any source, I'm going to remove it. M2K e 14:02, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

I have read somewhere that there was some Crowley quote; possibly 'do what thou wilt and it shall be the whole of the law', that was pressed into the vinyl itself? But I'm not sure about the reliability of that. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by El cactus (talk • contribs).

It was SCRATCHED into the run-out first few hundred LPs. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 194.6.107.209 (talk • contribs).

I have a copy of an original Led Zeppelin III with the inscriptions. It has Do What Thou Wilt pressed on Side One and So Mote Be It pressed on Side Two. They are etched in script letters into the vinyl where the playing space runs out. I have also seen the album with only one of the inscriptions pressed on one side. I think there are probably more than a few hundred out there, but I am not sure.

It's true. The plates used to press the records must have been changed at some point. Earlier pressings(?) have it while others don't. I have one of each. The one without was produced after the with different product numbers. - Rockthing 16:07, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Jimmy had the two sayings inscribed on the first few hundred LPs without the other band members knowledge, and if I remember correctly, was removed when they found out.

[edit] Edit the Non-Music Interest Section

That section is ridiculous. Can you people stop ruining wikipedia, please? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.171.42.156 (talk • contribs).

What's wrong with it? Grymsqueaker 16:44, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Do you mean the "Personal life" section?
Is there any information whatsoever that Page is a football fan or that he is interested in Chelsea FC? Personally, I don't feel like a reference to the Chelsea website is very substantive. - Rockthing 16:15, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Welsh?

I was just curious as to why Page is listed under Wikipedia's "List of Welsh People." —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Registered user 92 (talk • contribs).

[edit] PLAYED WITH KINKS

I think it is somewhat obvious to anyone who has listened to Page's session work in detail, and also to that of the early Kinks, that Page played more than one guitar solo on their releases. The solos on played on not only "You Really Got Me", and "All Day and All of the Night", but also to "I Need You", sound very similar in both tone and composition to Page's session work around that time for bands like The Primitives and The First Gear. If the solos do belong to Dave Davies, it was quite an amazing anomaly and coincidence as he has produced no other guitar solos that I am aware of that sound anything like them. The assumption that Shel Talmy would have just brought Page in to play some chords borders on naive. Shel was in the business of hits, and Page was his ace. Yes, the official versions of the events are that Dave Davies played all of it and Page just kind of lurked in the shadows or played some fuzz notes...or Keith Richards insists that he (Richards) played the solo on "Heart of Stone", but admits to copping it note for note from Page...but, oh, wait, Page did play on the alternate track that was released much later on the Stones Metamorphosis album. Again both solo sounds alot more like Jimmy Page in 1964 than Keith Richards - in fact Keith Richards really did not show the ability to play scales like that until perhaps much later, if ever. These explanations, at best, seem weak. Well if these guys were playing these solos, what did Page do then? Play some rhythm guitar and offer advice on solos? Rhetoric aside, the strongest evidence that Page did play these solos is the music itself. There are definitive elements to the sound and note selection that point intractably to Page's style at that time. In any case, at the very least the assertion in the article that it is a fact that he did not play on these recordings should be changed. This is not an NPOV. Considering the fact that the issue has been debated amoingst rock journals for decades should at least put this information in the realm of dispute. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nickiron (talk • contribs).

[edit] Styling

His styling listed is OBE, Officer of the British Empire; however, the categories at the bottom of his page list him as Commander of the British Empire. Which is it, Commander or Officer Gorovich 17:38, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

I looked through some links, and according to the one referenced in this article[1 he was made an Officer, so I went ahead and changed his category from Commander to Officer. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gorovich (talk • contribs).

[edit] Bands

Oughtn't it be mentioned that he was a member of [The Outlaws]. It says so on the Outlaws webpage, and its apparently important enough since Ritchie's page has it there. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Shigaon (talk • contribs).

• Page was never officially a member of [The Outlaws]. He only did some sessions with them. ScottSwan 18:39, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] vandalism

this article has been vandalized --24.61.34.214 03:21, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

No kidding —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.64.223.203 (talk • contribs).

[edit] Heavy

The article says 'One of Jimmy Page's Les Paul Custom "Black Beauties" is now owned by Dan Hawkins of The Darkness, due to the fact the guitar was too heavy for him'. Is that 'heavy' as in, like, really heavy, man? Like, too heavy even for Jimmy Page?? Now that's heavy!!! --Thoughtcat 13:45, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Post-Led Zeppelin Career, etc.

I feel like this should be treated more chronologically. It's really all over the place, with a mention of 'Death Wish' coming at the end after his collaboration with 'The Black Crowes'.

Also, I've never heard of him doing the soundtrack to Death Wish III. Does anyone have a citation for this?

• IMDB credits Page with "original music" for Death Wish 3. No soundtrack album was released, however, and it is believed that the movie used music that Page had recorded for Death Wish 2. ScottSwan 18:41, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

In general there is a lot of unsubstantiated information throughout the article.

Something drastic really needs to be done about the flow as well.

This is a topic which I feel confident about and would like to see presented in style. This is a really good start. It just needs some second opionions (that aren't anonymous) and a little polish. I hope to put some serious work into mostly rewording and reworking whenever I have time. Now is not the time, but I look forward to working with any regular editors of this article.

- Rockthing 16:33, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

I read somewhere recently that Page collaborated (or at least jammed) with the amazing jazz bassist Jaco Pastorius. Does anyone more knowledgable about Page know if there is any truth to this? If so, it would definitely be a candidate for inclusion in the Post-Zep section...that would demonstrate a dynamically different side of Page's musical abilities (jazz fusion). I hope someone can help...

Perhaps [1] is where you should be at. Get a friend to help you if you have never used it before! [2] Candy 06:19, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Candy: Is there any need to be rude? Of course I've googled that information, it just seems slightly implausible, so I was wondering if anyone had actually verified that the rumors (as reported on the site you very obnoxiously linked to) are in fact true. By your link, I suppose you're suggesting that I should believe everything I read as a result of a google search? I pity you.

See my page for a response to your comment on my user page. Candy 22:53, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

My respnse to your comment here is:

1. Sign your name (see Wikipedia help) 2. Try using specifics rather than make me or other editors scramble around to see what you may mean 3. I don't see the relationship between my comment and that you believe everything I believe everything on the web is true 4. No need to pity me.

Candy 22:53, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

For CANDY: (See also your user page...and be careful about calling yourself "editor") Here is my response to your comments from your user page:

A RESPONSE:

Perhaps you don't like using your name and like anonymous comment? -I asked a question before adding to a webpage. I'd seen rumors and all sorts of webpage/bootleg claims that Jimmy Page performed with Jaco...nothing credible and nothing actionable.

Perhaps you don't like citing sources? -I like citing sources. That's why I asked the question. You googled and linked to a non-reputable webpage, not a credible source. I had already done that myself, prior to your rude comment, many times. I was asking for credible information. That was clear.

Perhaps you like to actually refer to anything specifically? -This question does not make syntactical sense in English.

Well, as you don't seem actually bothered to be specific I assume you are not bothered about being serious. -I have no idea what this sentence is referencing. I have been very specific with my question and also very specific in addressing your unwarranted rudeness. My effort was to not add heresay to Page's website; you googled and linked to a non-credible source and rudely dismissed my comment on the Page Discussion page. You were rude, not me.

I don't think you should be bothered about my rudeness but think about your lack of specificity and the fact YOU can't be BOTHERED. -I have no idea what you are talking about. It seems that you are responding to your previous sentence, which didn't make any sense, so is this meant to create a conversation with yourself?

And no, imho it doesn't show a dynamically different side of Page's musical abilities. -To suggest that Jaco Pastorius is akin to any type/genre of music that Jimmy Page previously played or currently plays is a completely idiotic statement. You are entitled to your opinion, but your opinion is wrong and very uneducated. Jaco completely revolutionized the jazz world; he invented his own instrument by reformatting the existing model of the electric bass to generate a new tone...and his playing with Pat Metheney and with Weather Report ushered in a totally new type of jazz...dubbed "fusion". Jimmy Page has never been associated with any type of jazz, and, if you consider his work in the blues to be in the same ballpark as jazz, you've obviously never heard any of the mid-1970s through mid-1980s fusion that Jaco created...Page's ability to musically jam/communicate with Jaco in a live, or otherwise, setting highlights a different style for certain.

Perjaps YOU can help us by EXPLAINING what YOU mean. -I've already explained pretty accurately with my question on the Page Discussion page; you might have convoluted things by being rude and by googling a non-credible site. Google is obviously not the best way to research or to find credible information. You suggested that I either (1) use google to "research" Page and Jaco (I already had, which is why I was asking for more of an "expert" opinion from someone who might have already researched the rumors, the different non-credible websites) OR (2) find a friend to show me how to use google (which was rude and unnecessary). Your suggestion that google be used at all implies that you believe that google should be used to locate credible citations for Wikipedia edits...anyone who uses google knows that alongside useful information a TON of absolute crap comes up in response to any search...

The suggestion that Google is a viable source of credible information to support citations is a flawed statement. As this is the supporting statement for your rude comment, your comment is easily dismissable...you have made a very silly and very uneducated assertion that google be used and be trusted to deliver factual information. Perhaps it is you who needs help from a friend in conducting research.

It shouldn't matter that I am anonymous...YOU MADE A PERSONAL ATTACK AGAINST MY INTELLIGENCE WITH YOUR COMMENTS. SHAME ON YOU, CANDY!

You made your rude attack public, so I'm happy to expose you for what you are right here on this page, too. 72.84.195.236 21:43, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Your IP address appears to have been blocked due to repeated vandalism. If you wish to discuss this further than please contact me when you have access to Wikipidia again. Candy 06:30, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

I use a shared IP address. I had nothing to do with the vandalism, which, by the way, seems to have ceased and (knock on wood) not started again in 2007. A quick review of all of the 2007 contributions from this IP address, most of which were mine, confirms this fact. I'm not sure what else there is to discuss. You were unnecessarily rude. You can admit to that anytime, and an apology might be a keen idea...

72.84.195.236 21:40, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

May I point out that in reponse to my supposed rudeness you have attacked me on two fronts (here and my own page)., In addition, you have perverted what I said (I have not suggested google is a suitable source I merely implied you use it to start your investigation as you didn't seem interested in using any reference to submit for discussion - whether google or otherwise). I also, have not taken to shouting (which you have done above im copious amounts). You claim I made a personal attack against your intelligence. First of all, you are in an impersonal address and therefore cannot be attacked personally as you are not even registered. I made a respose to a vague comment. Try to see the difference ... person to comment. Furthermore, it is not possible to attack intelligence which is an abstract concept in itself. You have clearly misrepresented me by claiming that my comment was uneducated. You have no basis for that. Silly it was for sure and tongue in cheek but further than that you cannot say. I have made an apology on my page to you sumply for being rather sarcastic. On the other hand, your tone I find quite obnoxious and unwelcoming. Surely, the response to something which is taken as a slight is to question how I meant it (remember assume good faith) not to blast me. Candy 22:08, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

I appreciate the apology portion of your note on your talk page. I don't appreciate the "but I also want to say..." portions that you have left here. I did not attack you at all. I pointed out that you were incredibly rude...that YOU did not "assume good faith" with my question...that you assumed it was a chance to belittle someone.

I did not mean the "uneducated" comment so much as an insult...I meant it as a statement of fact...your opinion about Jaco's music not highlighting a different genre for Page is an uneducated opinion...obviously you don't know enough about Jaco, his music, or what significance his music holds to support that opinion. That's fine. Jaco is outside of lots of people's musical lexicons, just as Jimmy Page is probably not tops on jazz experts' lists...that was my point, it seemed an unlikely combination, an unlikely jam session...tons of assertions available via google that it did happen, but I wondered if anyone had actually heard any of the purported recordings, etc. (probably that would only take somebody with bit-torrent download capability, something my internet service provider doesn't support). So, your opinion was uneducated...and your rudeness did not assume good faith.

I didn't "pervert" anything you have said. Anyone can read along my line-by-line response and observe that to be true.

Your argument about "attacking intelligence" is not even worth dignifying with a response. If you want to close read my phrasing, try copy editing your own comments (esp. if you want to keep calling yourself "editor"). You admitted on your talk page that your comment was rude. It was an attack, and was unwarranted. Insofar as you obviously assumed it was a chance to belittle someone else, you yourself have blatantly violated the spirit of the Wikipedia community.

My comments are not unwelcoming or obnoxious. I have not made any snide remarks to rival your "try google" statement that started all of this. You behaved like a jerk, and I am simply calling you out for it...and also demonstrating that you have no entitlement to talk down to me (whether or not I have an anonymous IP or named account)...it violates Wikipedia's mission, and besides I know more about the issue at hand (particularly the significance of Jaco) than you do, so what possible grounds does that give you to pass judgement? You would have done well to not reply at all to my initial question, you should have let someone with experience, knowledge of a recording, or an expert knowledge of Page or Jaco's bootography give the requested details...instead you've been rude, and now you're trying to save face, but it's just not going to work. You messed up. Give it up and move on. Try to be more respectful and more productive as a Wikipedia editor in the future.

72.84.195.236 00:12, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Charles Obscure"

Does anyone have a source for this "Charles Obscure" alias? I've never heard of this before. IrisKawling 19:51, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

• that was the alias Jimmy used for "Hats Off To (Roy) Harper" (Trad., arr. Charles Obscure). Seems to be some kind of inside joke. In recent years that songwriting credit has been changed to "Page/Plant/Jones/Bonham". ScottSwan 00:25, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

• Ok thanks for clarifying but is it really that notable to be in the infobox? IrisKawling 04:48, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Citations

This artcile needs a lot of citations. It needs facts substantiating. I started doing some of this and will come back another time and slap a cite needed banner. In addition, the second and third parargraphs in the intro may need to be quickly cited as they seem like original research or very obscure. Candy 08:44, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Added the Knebworth Concert

The line-up for this concert wasn't known until the morning of the show (that is tickets were bought not knowing who was playing). When Plant was announced, Page wasn't mentioned. Unfortunately, I can't find any good reference to back this us ... yet. The one I did find was untrustworthy (it missed out at least two songs that Plant did with his band - Going to California and Tie Die). However, I can vouch for the accuracy of the tracks. Notably as well, Page had lost that paunchy beer belly that he had at Live Aid and looked more like his younger self. Candy 08:42, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cyclic referencing

I just noticed the reference to the Ultimate Hellraiser TV prog for channel 4. Having seen the programme I didn't think it particularly good. But the main concern is that I also saw a recent one called "God gave rock and roll" which was about the relationship between (mainly Christian) religion and the blues /rock and roll. Guess what came up? Well "Stairway" and back masking and Led Zepellin being an occult band. The odd feeling I had was that part of the research had been done using Wikipedia (and from older PoV edits).

My thoughts are: What if the info was taken from Wikipedia? As TV progs don't cite sources I guess we will never know! If someone now uses a TV prog as a ref in Wikipedia to try to validate a citation doesn't this become a cyclic feed?

My question is, is there any Wikipedia policy or guide to avoid this or discuss this? Thanks, Candy 10:45, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Glyn Johns

I notice that the following was added and then removed:

"Famed producer Glyn Johns, who was bitter over the limited credit he thought he deserved for producing an album with Page, once went to a Page concert just so he could go backstage before it began and tell Page what an insufferable jerk everyone thought he was. In typical Page fashion, it has been rumoured that Jimmy forgave Johns for the insult and immediately tried to patch things up. Johns refused and threw a tantrum. Jimmy called security and had Johns escorted out of the building. The two have a very difficult relationship to this day. "

Can someone explain why? The above is taken almost verbatim from "Hammer Of The Gods" by Stephen Davis, and is therefore considered to be "factual" enough for this page. One might say that it elude more to Led Zep., but seeing as it has more to do with Page's personality traits, then it sits well here. Nexus Icon 09:25, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Les Paul bought from Joe Walsh

This page has Page's #1 as just a 1958 Les Paul while #2 is the 1959 that Page bought from Joe Walsh. I was thumbing through a Guitar World from March of 2004 and it was talking about the recent Gibson Jimmy Page limited edition "#1" Les Paul and went on to describe that #1 was from Joe Walsh and is the one that's wired out-of-phase depending on how the push-pull tone knob is situated. So which is it and are there any references that say that #2 is from Joe Walsh and not #1? My reference again is from Guitar World March, 2004.