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[edit] Decreasing article length
Since it has been a great problem, I was thinking that instead of cutting out his early life (this is a biography article and it should include all personal details), that we instead take all the information on who controls the release of his albums and the future releases and place them in the discography section. Any thoughts? 75pickup (talk • contribs)
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- Support definatly this article is way to big (and anyway I hope that nobody cuts out his early life part I mean it is his biography.--Seadog.M.S 12:11, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
- Object The story of Hendrix's posthumous legacy is probably more important than the prehumous details of his life. This article is long because of the scope and complexity of the Hendrix story, not because contributors here think he's that 'great' or 'worthy' of such a long article. --Zig 18:35, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
- Comment Make his early life into a new article? Adam Wang 01:17, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
- Comment I've passed a few FAs recently, and though you may see some objections for length, they'll be overruled if your article meets the comprehensiveness requirement. I'm not necessarily arguing to keep the article as it is, as I haven't read it yet. But just some advice -- you don't have to conform to any arbitrary kilobyte limits. Let the article define itself, and be tasteful when avoiding trivia or excessive details. I honestly wish I had time to make this featured... --Zeality 19:43, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
- Comment Too many editors have been swooping in and carelessly doing 'chop jobs' on this article. They combine sentences into run-ons, remove pertinant details, leave fragemented paragraphs, and disrupt the TOC, all in the name of shortening the article length. Even at it's fattest, the article content consistently remained focused on Hendrix himself, or on items that have affected his life, music, or legacy. When I conceded to the 'conservatives' by migrating large swaths of information to separate articles, those articles were summarily deleted from Wikipedia. Needless to say this has been very frustrating. I'm very tempted at this point to leave Wikipedia forever and GFDL all of the Hendrix content into my own personal website as a static page or a separate 'Jimipedia' site. I'd like to stay and avoid such divergence, but another month or so without compromise or administrative input will likely be the tipping point. --Zig 16:37, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
- Just keep on trucking. If you can manage to get this featured, no one will touch it. Of course, people will object to length on the featured article candidacy, but Raul will pass it regardless of how many length objections there are if the information is relevant to Hendrix. Byzantine Empire is 121 kb and some Indian / Bangladesh topic is 111 kb. The Bangladesh one was objected to several times, yet Raul passed it for meeting the comprehensive requirement. People obsessed with length should review featured article criteria. --Zeality 19:58, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Public Domain Photo
There is apparently a collection in the library of congress from a Look magazine shoot that is free for use. There is no image available on the website but maybe you could order a copy or something. See here for more information. 75pickup (talk • contribs)
[edit] Guitar styles
Why is it that "funk" is not listed as one of Hendrix's styles? It's common knowledge that his rhythms were heavily funk and blues based. Listen to Purple Haze. The guitar rhythm for that song is almost exclusively a funk rhythm.
I think Rock/blues/funk would work fine.
What about Metal? If you read the first sentance, it describes Hendrix to a T. Ryan2x 19:22, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
- You need cites from reliable sources to add anything like that. Personal opinion and judgement doesn't cut it. Anyway, I think he was more of an influence on the development of funk and metal than a practictioner of those styles. A major influence, in both cases, but still, an influence rather than an actual practitioner. (Metal, in particular, didn't really become estabished as a distinct genre until after Jimi's death.) Xtifr tälk 23:41, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] No citations!
This article is extremely well-researched and accurate, I'm sure. So where are the citations? It's the only thing holding this article back. --RPaleja 05:38, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
- I just read the article and find it to be poor by Wikipedia standards, considering how much attention it will have recieved. Some of the language used, like "He caught up with Linda Keith, an old flame that he still admired", is a bit romantic, and there were many instances of liberal portrait of Hendrix, as well as some instances where the chronology becomes confusing. See for example the Are You Experienced subsection, the article states that the album was released on May 12, 1967, apparently while Jimi doing a tour of Europe where he set his guitar on fire on March 31, 1967... The article reads like it was in excellent shape at some point but was then padded with uncited trivia by fans.
88.110.32.144 21:03, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
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- It's shamefully true -- It's hard to a believe a single sentence in this article. Honestly, about two-thirds of this stuff should probably be removed on the grounds that it discusses pretty personal/sensitive stuff such as Hendrix's thoughts and feelings(!) without even a shred of a citation, much less evidence. Ok! 22:31, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
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- As opposed to just deleting two thirds of the article right away, it would be best to see if we could find citations first. I see a list of Hendrix biographies, magazine articles, interviews, etc. in the References section, which I assume is where most of the information in this article comes from, so, I think we should use these sources to cite the article properly. Dumping a list of biographies just won't cut it as far as citations go. Having said that, I doubt many of us would be prepared to go through all the hassle of researching everything again, but we'll see.
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- On the other hand, the entire article does read like it's been copied entirely from a Hendrix website or book, due to the amount of weasel words and POV remarks. If this is true, most of the article is in violation of copyright. We'll just have to see how things go as far as citing the article goes though. But I suggest we immediately remove any additional information added into the article unless it is cited, this will make the whole the citing process much easier! ĤĶ51→Łalk 22:51, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Biography section
I don't understand why the section called biography exists. I mean, all it's doing is summarizing jimi hendrix's life and his legacies. That stuff should be or is already mentioned in the lead section. Otherwise it should be distributed else where in the article. I think its unnessesary and should be deleted. After the lead section, the article should go right into the early life section. Justinmeister 21:47, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
I totally agree with this, the stuff there at the start of the bio section is completely useless as it has all been mentioned previously in the article. I'm going to go ahead and remove it now, if anyone has any objections, you know what to do. HK51 22:03, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Also, why does it say he is "mistakenly" considered the greatest and most influential guitarist ever? I assume that's some wise-guy trying to be funny. This should be fixed. I think I'm going to fix this, too.Caregirl21789 07:39, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Jimi Hendrix's political views
"It has been equally difficult for biographers to discern Hendrix's political views because his opinions on social and political topics varied in step with the company that he kept. To a crowd of hippies, Hendrix would speak about social change and against the Vietnam War; in Europe, however, he would rant in disgust to his British friends about witnessing anti-war protesters riot in Paris."
This paragraph uses an example that supposedly highlights Hendrix's contradictory political views and chameolonic social nature. However, the two events relayed in the example are not inconsistent with each other. For example, let's say he was against the Vietnam War, and he also spoke against anti-war protesters rioting in Paris. Perhaps he was upset that people protesting against the war could not remain peaceful themselves. I think most would agree that resorting to violence (rioting) in protest of war is hypocritical. My opinion is that, at the very least, the example given to buttress the opening statement does not hold water. 70.152.108.15 16:51, 23 November 2006 (UTC)JustaRandomPasserby
- This entire statement is sufficiently problematic that I've tagged it with {{fact}} until someone can come up with some attribution or references. +ILike2BeAnonymous 18:28, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
- Many who have been in the military often have problems defining their true beliefs. They often become mixed or paradoxal. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.178.17.117 (talk) 16:18, 12 January 2007 (UTC).
[edit] Albert Hall Video?
I have a 40 minute video I got from torrents of the Experience at albert hall, is this the mentioned dvd not released (yeah 40 mins is short). It seems to have professional editing such as involving shots outside or maybe not relating to the concert (such as an airport). Also effects on the colour, like inverted etc.
[edit] Hendrix's Other Anthem? - Current Event!
UK news via Taipei Times says a dusty 8-track tape from an old tea chest in a recording studio yielded Hendrix playing the Welsh national anthem, Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau, or, Land of My Fathers. Apparently, Hendrix was in London at the time it was recorded, and the studio was recording his friend and their band. The rendition has been described as "ear-rattling" by a UK writer who added, "It does sound rather like him." Note: This is an original synopsis of the story.
--Torchpratt 12:55, 2 January 2007 (UTC)--Torchpratt 12:55, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
Anyone know where one can find this? ;D --Perplextrator 11:21, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
That's long since been revealed to be a hoax. 75.70.125.3 04:23, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Old flame
He caught up with Linda Keith, an old flame that he still admired, and gave her a brand new black Fender Stratocaster as a token of his appreciation for her discovery efforts years earlier.
Encyclopaedias shouldn't resort to such idioms. What's wrong with "old friend"?
138.243.129.4 22:38, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
the jimi hendrix experience article should certainly NOT be merged with this article. jimi was simply a member of the experience, and therefore only part of the band. doing so would be like merging the led zeppelin article with the Robert Pland article!
[edit] Spurious One Hit Wonder Claim
Whilst he may have only had one single in the charts, the success of his albums means he's not a one-hit wonder. This term is usually reserved for acts who have only one single but no albums which chart. By the definition used here, Led Zeppelin were also one-hit wonders.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 137.205.27.182 (talk • contribs) 16:33, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
- Yes I agree. I had been thinking about removing this triviality as well. Thanks for having done so. DVdm 19:24, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Accuracy of facts
If someone could produce a photo of Jimi playing a Gretsch Corvette, it would be news to me, and I've been running gretschpages.com for more than 10 years. If anyone has that photo, please share 216.84.96.34 18:38, 9 February 2007 (UTC)Tim Baxter
This article states that Jimi Hendrix was left handed. I have seen pictures (posted online) of Jimi writting with pen and paper and the pen is in his right hand. I believe he wrote with his right hand and played a right handed guitar upside down, strings reversed, in a left handed style. This should be checked.
- You are correct. He was a left-handed guitarist, but would write with his right hand. Mickraus 14:47, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Jimi Hendrix was not part Mexican American, he was part Cherokee. He was pride of his Native American heritage; someone please change Mexican to Native American.
[edit] Jam Sessions
There is no mention of the sessions he did with people like B.B.King,Stephen Stills and Al Kooper. These aren't just internet rumors. I have copys of all of these Playing For The End 16:57, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
- Find some references and put them in. By the way, I hope your writing is better than your spelling ("copys"?). +ILike2BeAnonymous 20:17, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Jimi's Original Name
I changed the beginning of the article (since reverted by ILike2BeAnonymous) because within the first six words there is an inaccuracy, viz., "Jimi Hendrix (born James Marshall Hendrix..." Anyone reading what I'd altered it to would have seen I had corrected that inaccuracy: Jimi was registered as Johnny Allen Hendrix by his mother on 7 December 1942, and it wasn't until nearly four years later his father changed it to James Marshall Hendrix. I'm sorry that I have to agree with another contributor who was sceptical of the accuracy of this article. If corrections to inaccuracies are going to be reverted, I can't see how the article will improve. Mickraus 00:55, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
- I'm don't doubt the veracity of what you say, but a source would probably help the edit not to be reverted. Dravick 02:14, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
- One source is Jimi Hendrix: Electric Gypsy by Harry Shapiro & Caesar Glebbeek, ISBN 0 434 69523 8. Mickraus 16:42, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
- Excellent then, with a reference it will almost certainly not be reverted. Dravick 18:51, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
- One source is Jimi Hendrix: Electric Gypsy by Harry Shapiro & Caesar Glebbeek, ISBN 0 434 69523 8. Mickraus 16:42, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Accuracy?
I've been trying to read through this article and keep questioning what is fact and what is opinion. It would take a lot of editing to make this into a true encyclopedia entry citing it's contents. I'm wondering how some of this article was approved to begin with. Hasn't anyone gone through and checked where the references came from?
I'm new to Wikipedia, so I don't know who is responsible to make sure things like this don't happen. Are we all responsible? Should there be a reference after every line?
ie; "He built upon the innovations and influences of blues stylists such as B.B. King, Muddy Waters, Albert King, and Buddy Guy, and derived style from rhythm and blues and soul guitarists Curtis Mayfield, Steve Cropper, and Cornell Dupree, as well as from traditional jazz. Hendrix was also inspired by rock pioneer Little Richard, having toured in Richard's back-up band "The Upsetters" before forming his own rock group in 1966".
Who said this? "derived style" seems like an opinion rather than a recognized fact especially in the context in which it was used. Did Jimi say this? I know he was influenced by Curtis Mayfield as is evident in his ballads, but I don't recall him citing Cornell Dupree in any interviews. I wish there was a reference that i could see, because that would be a fact, if it were true (and i don't know for sure), which I would want to retain and possibly pass on to someone else. Are we passing on rumours or opinions of other people we don't even know? Also, this is just one example where opinion and fact are in the same sentence.
I don't think I'm a Jimi Hendrix "authority" by any standard, but enough of a fan to be confused when i tried to read this article. I found myself going "hmmm?" for most of it.
Analogypsy 20:27, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
- Indeed, we are all responsible to add references when we add some text. There should be a lot more references in there (but maybe not one for each line, that would be too much). If you think something is dubious, you can add the {dubious} template, which look like [dubious — see talk page]. If something definitly needs a ref, you can add {fact}, which look like [citation needed] (to make the templates work, there must be two brackets). And if something is completly wrong, you can just remove it. Dravick 03:42, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Suggestions
1) RE: the external link to "Photo gallery showing rare pictures inside Jimi's first Marshall JTM-45/100 amp"
The 2006 Marshall JTM-45/100 amp costs £3200 (US$6240)
(http://reviews.harmony-central.com/reviews/Guitar+Amp/product/Marshall/JTM-45%2F100+Head/10/1)
therefore I think it extremely unlikely that Hendrix's first amp was one from this product line, no musician starting out has that much money for equipment (I know from experience!!). I think that possibly whoever put this link up is a bit confused, because when you follow the link it is written "Hendrix's #1 Amp, the 'Dickinson 45/100'", and on the homepage of that site "Uploaded photographs of Jimi Hendrix's favourite Marshall". So I conclude this person need the concepts "#1 (chronologically first)" and "#1 (preference)" disambiguated :) I will edit this after seeing what anyone thinks, i don't want to cause trouble, this page is full of debate anyway. Someome else maybe can do it?
2) Jimi Hendrix is/was part-Cherokee and I think this should be mentioned in the article. The Cherokee Nation article links to Jimi Hendrix. Whoever has the book "Electric Gypsy" by Shapiro can find this fact and cite a source, unfortunately, my copy is in my other house, which is very far away from where I am now.
Liquidcentre 16:35, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Hendrix is a legend --Swilliams1989 16:54, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
Jimi Hendrix was not part Mexican American, he was part Cherokee. He was pride of his Native American heritage; someone please change Mexican to Native American.
[edit] Translation of a text on scaruffi.com
Hi! If English is your first language, and if you think you control the Italian language well enough, then please consider translating this article about Jimi Hendrix, written by (musical) scientist Piero Scaruffi. Your help is greatly appreciated. - Face 10:10, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] GA Status
I noticed that this article is a former Featured Article Candidate. Just as a pointer, this article should be nominated for Good Article status, and that will be one step towards making it featured. It will probably offer strong points of where to improve. --Reaper X 21:58, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Unfortunately as with many other musician entries this article screams PoV and is in general uncritical against Hendrix' accomplishments. It is _not_ fitting for an encyclopedia to talk about the 'profound sense of melody' of Hendrix as if there is some kind of objective standard of melodious quality. Who the hell wrote the whole 'Jimi Hendrix Experience' part and onwards actually? - since it reads much like a biography of Hendrix on his fansite or so, elevating him to a musical hero, pitted against people like Noel Redding and the English public. Noel Redding should be glad he hasn't been crucified by the public for his role against Hendrix if this entry is to be believed. A total rewrite should be done imo, and let someone understand that while music is very much subjective, it can be written about objectively. 217.123.72.213 00:36, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Inaccurate gravesite
Jimi's gravesite is in Renton, not Seattle. Both are mentioned in the article. It should be changed, but I don't know how to do that... 134.39.100.71 21:03, 9 March 2007 (UTC)KMS
[edit] Guitar tuning
The last sentence of the first paragraph describing Axis Bold As Love is incorrect. Come on (let the good times roll) is in E, not Eb. Someone fix that or delete this thing I put up here. 12.201.72.38 08:28, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Miles Davis
I added the line in the legacy section about Hendrix's influence on Miles. This is common knowledge.SmokeyTheCat 14:20, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
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