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Contents 1 Featured Article Resubmission 2 Step-sister, not half-sister 3 Suicide? 4 Guitars 5 First name 6 More photos 7 Name 8 POV 9 Say what? 10 Effect Pedals 11 Estate, legal wranglings 12 You're Fired 13 Improvisation skills 14 Patriotic 15 Date format 16 "Died at 27" = BFD 17 rather awkward first paragraph 18 Song and album titles 19 Ed Chalpin or Chaplin? 20 Django Reinhardt an influence on Jimi?

Featured Article Resubmission

What is left to fix to get this article reconsidered as a featured article?--Elysianfields 06:34, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

This is: "His school counsellor told his father to get him a guitar, and his father gave him a one-stringed toy guitar. Jimi played it so much that his father finally relented and bought his son a real guitar." I'm 99 percent sure this is actually true about Slash, and not Hendrix--but not sure enough to stand by the change myself. But I suggest someone look into it. --Petey, Dec 4th, 2005.

-I'm not sure about the counsellor but the rest is definitley true. --MortalMadMan 20:23, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Step-sister, not half-sister

Should not the article make it more clear that Janie Hendrix is not a blood relative of the Henrdrix family at all, and was Al Hendrix's adopted daughter?

That doesn't make her a step sister or a half sister. She is his full sister, but she is adopted. A half sister is one that shares one parent (like if your parents got divorced and your mother had a kid with her new husband) and a step sister is one that is joined by marriage (like if your parents got divorced and your mother's new husband had kids already).Tracer Bullet 16:54, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

yo douglas! Al eventually got remarried which resulted in Janie

-13 year old black kid with nothing to do.

Suicide?

From what I understand, this is still suspected. Am I outdated? A biography I read on Hendrix claimed it was almost definately the case.

Everything I've ever read made it clear that it was UNLIKELY that Hendrix would commit suicide at that time, and that it was certainly not "almost definately the case". There's plenty of mistakes in the many biographies out there. Don't trust just one.

Guitars

The section on his guitars needs editing. Why are some guitars lumped into one line at the bottom? Also, I think we should have a good source for this section. Regards encephalon 12:46, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

amen. and what the hell is a "Gibson stereo"?

I've changed "Black Widow acoustic" to "Acoustic Black Widow." Acoustic was an actual brand in the late 60s and early 70s which. I've seen Hendrix's on display at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in Cleveland, though I don't believe it's still on display there. There isn't much information about this guitar out there, but here's a page I found Acoustic Black Widow

ANACHRONISM ALERT The very article about "Acoustic Black Widow" cited above states that the particular guitar in discussion was not designed until 1972. Hendrix was already dead!

First name

Just saw a quote on slashdot.org, where the name Robert was used as the firstname for Jimi Hendrix, not sure if this is right tough.
'Scuse me, while I kiss the sky! -- Robert James Marshall (Jimi) Hendrix
--havarhen | Talk 12:25, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

According to the biography _Electric Gypsy_, he was born Johnny Allen Hendrix which was legally changed into James Marshall Hendrix when he was (iirc) 3 years old.

• That is almost surely a misprint or mistake. Johnny Allen Hendrix -> James Marshall Hendrix are the only names I've ever heard, and I've been studying Hendrix for 20 years.

maby if hendrix didnt use the guitar he did the sound that he is famouse for might not of been that succesfull

More photos

People, is there anyone out there who would care to upload more photos of our favourite Voodoo Child/Chile? Am a near techno-illiterate myself. Fergananim 12:59, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

Name

Jimi was born "Johnny Allen Hendrix" not "James Marshall Hendrix." Wanka 03:57, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

If so, then I am sorry for the revert. But I guess then the name would have to be changed also in the lead of the article. However, on his tombstone it says 'Forever In Our Hearts -- James M. "Jimi" Hendrix -- 1942-1970' See [1]]. But hey, I am not an expert on Jimi Hendrix. I'll leave that to the regular people here. :) Garion96 (talk) 02:16, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

His name was legally changed to James Marshall Hendrix. I just wanted it to be set as "born Johnny Allen Hendrix" because "His father, after returning from World War II, legally renamed him James Marshall Hendrix." when it says he was born James Marshall Hendrix seems a bit strange, doesn't it? Wanka 03:57, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Indeed, I managed to skip over the rename part in the article. Garion96 (talk) 03:36, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Why shouldn't it say "born Johnny Allen Hendrix"? That was his original name. Just mention that his name was changed later.

POV

I removed a blatant piece of POV. The bit about the Star Spangled Banner is better suited to allmusic or something, but not wikipedia. daleki 05:20, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Can't spk for anybody else, but the criticism of his "Star Spangled " is bogus. It was magnificent. Trekphiler 01:31, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

i agree. at the very least, this was an historic performance of major cultural importance that deserves more mention in the article. -Joeyramoney 22:28, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Say what?

That first sentence about the one-string ukulele sure sounds dumb, and it wasn't there last time I looked. Sounds unsubstantiable and stilted. I'm not taking it out, but I just wanted to say that the second sentence in that paragraph is a much better place to start. We all want to put in our two cents, I know, but that two cents is bad.

Effect Pedals

That eBow addition is patently false. Jimi Hendrix did not have or use an eBow. See http://www.ebow.com/ebow/history.htm for the inventor's own timeline. Absolutely false claim as to Hendrix's use. There is no reason for that to be there.

Estate, legal wranglings

I feel that this section really has no additive value to this article. It isn't really about Jimi at all, but rather his money. Because of the size of the article already, I am going to delete this section within 24 hours unless there are any strong objections. RENTASTRAWBERRY ^{FOR LET?} röck 05:36, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

You're Fired

Didn't notice this (& maybe nobody cares), but I've heard JH got fired by Little Richard for missing the bus, once... Trekphiler 01:31, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Where'd you hear? Can you document? Sounds interesting and relevant to me (Hendrix admirer when he was alive). --ILike2BeAnonymous 05:06, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

That story is certainly in at least one of the biographies I've read over the years, but I can't put my hand on it. Mind you, for a professional musician to miss a tour bus is a pretty grave offence. The bus would probably have stayed as long as possible after its scheduled departure time, consuming the safety factor built in to the schedule and putting everyone under pressure including the bus driver. Hendrix wouldn't have been the first or last person to be dismissed for a first offence.

Jimi died the same year as Janis. I was 18 and had owned an electric guitar less than two years. Jimi played things we couldn't even dream before. Andrewa 19:29, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

richard also fired him becuase he was too flashy of a player and richard thought hendrix might upstage him. the bus insident was more like an excuse to fire him, it was bound to happen.

Improvisation skills

Sometimes I've read that Hendrix was especially good improviser. This is probably true, but I haven't found any further information from the internet. If anybody could write something about his skills as an improviser, that would be nice. --128.214.205.5 13:27, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Hmm; seems to me this is one of those things that's self-evident, like the fact that the sky is blue: no supporting documentation needed. Is it possible you haven't listened to any of Hendrix's music? In any case, I can attest, having grown up listening to his recordings as well as having seen him live, that he was indeed an exquisitely masterful improviser. --ILike2BeAnonymous 19:51, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

But the article is made also for those who have never listened any Hendrix. And more importantly, I think that the quality of the article would be much better if there was something about this issue. The musician articles in general pay very seldom sufficient attention for playing techniques. Often articles just say that somebody is a "great" guitarist (or something like that) and that's the end of the story. Articles would be much better if there was something about playing techniques and possible developments that players have come up with. --80.221.30.182 17:14, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

the fact that little richard fired him is deffinately true, as stated in jimi hendrix's biography, room full of mirrors. little richard also fired him becuase he was too flashy of a player and richard thought hendrix might upstage him. the bus insident was more like an excuse to fire him, it was bound to happen.

Patriotic

Was he "deeply patriotic" as this article claims? He supported official views of vietnam war first, but I have got the picture he changed his views a bit in his last years. I don't remember anything that directly tells us that he was "deeply patriotic". Patriotic in some sense he might have been... --128.214.205.5 13:32, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Date format

This is silly and stupid: will whoever is changing the dates to European format please just stop it?

Hendrix was American; this article is about an American musician. He wouldn't have written "27 November". Just resist the urge to tweak it, OK?

(You know, I was reading elsewhere about complaints that Wikipedia was America-centric; my experience is just the opposite. Everywhere I look I see British spelling and formatting. Kind of annoying, to tell the truth.) --ILike2BeAnonymous 08:07, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

It's even more silly and stupid than you probably know. If you don't want European-formatted dates, go into the "Date and Time" pane in your preferences and change it. The WikiMedia software will take both November 27 and 27 November and display them as November 27, if you so choose. It only makes a difference if you have "no preference" selected.

Besides, Jimi is quite dead, and even if he were alive I'm sure that he wouldn't give a toss what format the dates were in. Microtonal 06:20, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

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I just went through the article and restored proper date linking. This means that all dates with a month and a day should be "Wiki-linked". Why? This allows users who set date display preferences to see dates in their preferred format (i.e., where the dates now are in the format "month day", some users prefer "day month"). This is handled automagically by the software when you enclose a date (such as March 18) in double square brackets.

On the other hand, linking years (1970) is overlinking: a waste of time, keystrokes and storage space, and should be expunged when found. ILike2BeAnonymous 00:02, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

I am curious as to why you have felt the need to raise yet another section on date formatting and linking when you have already made a similar section [2].

Because I looked for it and couldn't find it; my bad. ILike2BeAnonymous 02:05, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

[Moved stuff from new section here to consolidate.] ILike2BeAnonymous 02:12, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

All editors should be aware that the matter of date linking is not set in stone as attested to by the sizeable discussions, both present and past, at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (dates and numbers). Moreso, expunging is not to be recommended or encouraged either in one direction or the other and I am adding this note as advice to that effect especially for any new editors. Alias Flood 01:38, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

I have set the dates for Jimi's and Al's dobs and dods as per advice in [3] Alias Flood 01:57, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

I went back to the style we (speaking for apparent consensus here) have become comfortable with, which is to not link years. Year linking is not needed and leads to blue clutter. ILike2BeAnonymous 02:05, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

That is very cosy but not the 'Wiki way'. If you have a case for changing style it should be made in the place provided ie Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (dates and numbers) or are you suggesting that this article should be different to all others? I doubt that you are and I will place the dates according to Wikipedia Manual of Styles (Dates and Numbers) Dates of birth and death. (Link already given) Alias Flood 02:16, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Well then, in this case, the "Wiki way" sucks badly. It may be true that most bios use that date linking; what's also true is that 99% of the articles here are guilty of date overlinking as I've described it (that is, the mindless and robotic practice of enclosing all dates, including just years, in square brackets, just on the off chance that someone will come along later and say, "Doh! I wonder what else happened in 1972; maybe I'll click on that there blue link."). So that doesn't hold much water for me. Got any better arguments? ILike2BeAnonymous 02:52, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Plenty but let us restrict ourselves to this matter. Take your case to the proper place and stop trying to impose your own tastes here by giving incorrect 'pseudo rules'. Go and argue about it with the people who care about it much more than I do. (You should feel at home and you will be the first to profess that the "Wiki way sucks badly". I doubt if anyone has dealt with that area of logic.) Alias Flood 03:05, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

"Died at 27" = BFD

I've been seeing a lot of back-and-forth lately on this subject here (the allegedly interesting fact that Hendrix, Joplin & Morrison all died at 27). My own take on this: this is trivia, which would belong in a "Trivia" section if anywhere. What do others think of this? Is there a gigantic conspiracy theory cult out there I'm not aware of?

Believe me, I remember talk from back then about how there must have been some kind of conspiracy to kill all these stars around the same time. But so far as I know, such talk died down and was never really taken seriously. (We were all a lot younger then, you know).

By the way, I'm the one who put the "needs cleanup" tag up. This article is a mess, mostly from a simple grammatic and quality-of-writing standpoint. It reads as if it were written mostly by a bunch of adoring, enthusiastic but not very bright fans. --ILike2BeAnonymous 18:25, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

I agree - i'm working through the article now. I should be done in a few hours. Let me know what you think. -- zalali 14.29 GMT

sorry - i take that back. it's taking me too long. i've done 1968 and 1969 so far. i'll do the rest some other time. let me know what you think about those two new sections if you have the time. thanks. zalali 13.37 GMT

rather awkward first paragraph

the first paragraph seems a bit awkwardly worded since the last edit, and the bit about the vh1 list seems out of place. someone might want to clean it up a little.

Maybe you're referring to my edits? Writing can always be improved; what I tried to do was settle an issue that was problematic here by saying two things:

• That some people consider Hendrix the greatest electric guitarist of all time (perhaps in the entire universe), and
• That even those who don't necessarily consider him the all-time greatest electric guitarist don't dispute that he was one of the most influential guitarists ever.

The statement "he was the greatest guitarist of all time", which had been put into the article before, is subjective and impossible to confirm as fact, which is why I used the qualifier "some people consider". The second statement can pretty well be confirmed by reading about Hendrix. I'm also not sure about that VH1 reference; that seems as if it ought to go in a "Trivia" section or something like that, not in the lead paragraph.

If you can find a better way to say that, as they say, knock yourself out. --ILike2BeAnonymous 03:58, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

I would also like to submit that the first paragraph, or at least the last half, be rewritten. Whether or not Jimi Hendrix is the best electric guitarist of all time is a matter of complete subjectivity and has no place in an encyclopedia. "Widely considered to be among the best electric guitarists of all time", or something to that degree would be far more appropriate.

Well, since you requested that it not be unchanged, your request has been granted. I've reverted your edits. Sorry, Jimi Hendrix was not one of the "foremost musicians of all time". You'll get nothing but arguments over that. Keep in mind that music isn't just music: there are genres and styles, and many, many of them, which preclude pointing to any one musician in any one genre and saying that he or she is "the greatest". This might work in some kind of rock'n'roll fanzine, but not here.

What the paragraph now says is that some people think he's the greatest electric guitarist ever, but that his influence over electric guitar playing is indisputable, both of which are factual statements. --ILike2BeAnonymous 02:19, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Well great, now someones completely fucked with it and it says 'hendrix rules'. All I said that he was a foremost musician, which is universally undeniable. I don't understand what's so hard about this; the paragraph just needs to be rewritten more objectively. Actually, the entire article should be rewritten.

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Hendrix's actual playing within songs deserves considered attention from a musical structure.. I agree with your comments that "best" "greatest" are inaccurate text. Having listened accutely for many years now there is extreme diversity and creativity in the way he forms a solo- in so doing he is aware of the piece its intended length other instruments acoustics of the venue basically he was/ is in touch with the entire acoustic event encompassing how many valves are functioning ( Winterland 1968 Sunshine of your love ). He was extremely polite with other musicians particularly getting into jazz styles where he would be critically aware of the occasion. Duanne Allman has often been credited with playing endless sequences of similar notes. U2's the Edge also - Bill Flanagan describes U'2 playing as "well they know three notes but can't quite come to terms with the 4th" - and they play them so well. Hendrix also had this incredible ability to turn note sequences around backwards and around continually not playing the same phrase but using 8 or 9 notes-- Stone Free Fillmore East you are sort of saying to yourself - thats impossible !!

Trying to describe his playing is hard because it weaves and evolves and challenges conventional methods : Sep 02, Venue: Vejlby Risskov Hallen - Location: Arhus, Denmark -have a look at the finger stretch !!Its this complete ability to reconcile the event to then use a guitar harmonically vibrating as a instrument to combine around the space. Im choosing these words carefully because there is so much evidence of this you can hear it in say Voodoo Chile/ Room Full of Mirrors Albert Hall Feb 24 1969 solo - where do the notes come from ?? There are sounds an electric guitar amplified should not produce yet almost at command he calls them up. There are write ups too of playing pieces backwards advising the recording engineer to reverse the tape just recorded to hear perfect renditions of otherwise an unrecognisable song when first recorded. Hope this helps61.68.170.75 15:46, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Song and album titles

Standard practice is for song titles to be "in quotes", and album titles to be italicized. I'll fix the ones I find, but I may not catch them all, so keep on the lookout. Microtonal 18:16, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Ed Chalpin or Chaplin?

Does anyone know which is correct? The one biography I have ('Scuse Me while I Kiss the Sky:The Life of Jimi Hendrix by David Henderson) doesn't mention this person at all, so far as I've been able to tell. About the same number of Google hits are found with either spelling. Can someone with access to a reputable bio confirm which is right? --ILike2BeAnonymous 20:22, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

It's Chalpin. -- 69.143.57.75 04:05, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Django Reinhardt an influence on Jimi?

I have seen in various articles that Jimi Was influenced by Django Reinhardt the great Gypsy jazz guitarist. This is why he named his band the "Band of Gypsies" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 199.245.163.1 (talk • contribs) 12:46, 10 February 2006 UTC.

Cite, please? --ILike2BeAnonymous 18:51, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

click on Django Reinhardt —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 4.244.96.92 (talk • contribs) 00:20, 11 February 2006 UTC.

Wikipedia articles aren't sources for other Wikipedia articles. Besides, it's not soucred at Django Reinhardt, either. Find an external source. Microtonal 06:33, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Django [[4]] Django now should be in Jimi's influences,what do you think?

I think you're an idiot who believes everything that's written on someone's blog.

No, let me rephrase that, since this is Wikepedia and we're all supposed to be nicey-nice here: you don't get to put stuff in an encyclopedia article just because someone, somewhere in the "blogosphere" (whatever the fuck that is) says it, OK? --ILike2BeAnonymous 07:53, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Settle down chief. The feeling is mutual. It is merely information.Its on the wiki Django Reinhardt too. What makes you so sure he did'nt listen to Django-that is why he named his band the "Band of Gypsys".And I did not put anything in the article. That is someone elses job. There are more cites to this and I will find them for your geek ass OK? Since you are obviously the king of the wikipedia Jimi Hendrix site.

Besides I think Django is better than Hendrix anyday,even if he could only use two fingers!!!!!Beat that sucka

To answer your question (whoever you are; you don't sign anything so there's no way to tell), Hendrix probably did listen to Django—I'd be surprised if he didn't. However, whether Reinhardt was an influence on him is something we'll probably never really know. As to the "Band of Gypsies" thing, go ahead and find some citations if you can (real ones this time). --ILike2BeAnonymous 08:51, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

195.195.166.41some of hendrix's music (eg on "Sunshine of your Love" in the first 69 Albert Hall concert shows the clear influence of Django - fast chromatic runs, chromatically-rising chords with voicings identical to Reinhardt's - its definitely there.

Still waiting for a citation (other than your say-so) of any kind for any of this stuff. --ILike2BeAnonymous 23:26, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

here is a reference, finally:

• http://www.fgmrecords.com/gypsy jazz/django_reinhardt.html

There is a space between the words "gypsy" & "jazz" which is causing this website not to post properly after I save it.