Talk:Jigoro Kano

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[edit] Kano & Competition

Also a member of the International Olympic Committee for Japan, Kano dreamed of including judo in the Olympic Games.

Although a member of the International Olympic Committee, wasn't Kano totally opposed to competition in Judo, including Olympic Games? The bios I've read about him totally contrast with what is said in the article.

Fixed this information in the article. As many sources suggest (e.g. http://www.bstkd.com/JudoHistory/HistoryKano.htm, http://www.afma.upcsites.com/judo.html), Kano's interest in the olympic games was not related to a wish to have Judo included as a discipline.

IMO, he wasn't "totally" opposed, he just didn't want it to become the be-all and end-all that it became in the colleges, where the elite athletes got scholarships and the rest of the kids got to ride the bench. Also, in fairness, judo was slated to be an exhibition sport at the 1940 Olympics (alongside kyudo and kendo). The people who were pushing for the inclusion in the Olympic Games were the Germans before WWII, and the Europeans and Americans after WWII. From a Japanese standpoint, inclusion was a good thing, though, as it significantly inflated national medal counts. People say those don't matter, but for funding sources, they do. Joseph Svinth 01:53, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Doctor of?

So what did he study to earn the title of Doctor? Fred26 19:51, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Man, he studied a lot of things. He was a scholar in the first place. He graduated from Tokyo Imperial University: From this external biography you can read: At the same time that he was developing his notions of a reformed jujutsu, Kano was a student at the Tokyo Imperial University, studying literature, politics and political economy. He graduated in 1881 and the following year became an instructor at the prestigious Gakushuin, or Peersí School, in Tokyo, a school for children of the nobility. Kano continued his lifelong involvement with academic education, earning a doctorate and eventually becoming Headmaster of the Tokyo Teachers' Training School. The same year that Kano became an instructor at the Gakushuin, he was ready to begin teaching his brand of jujutsu. [1] . Regards Loudenvier 02:17, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Copyright Flag and restart

The whole article comes from judoinfo with unclear permision. I've started over on a temp page.Peter Rehse 05:26, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

I think too much people added content to this article so it seems a litle too drastic to lable it as a whole copyright infrigment, which is very unlikely given the number of contributions. A lot of content may come from judoinfo. But a lot of info, for example the facts about his possible assassination aren`t even mentioned on judoinfo. This tag must be taken with a grain of salt. Loudenvier 23:23, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Take a look at the article that it comes from - it was almost word for word until I changed a bit near the front. It was copied wholesale from the Judoinfo page. There is no question about it being copyright infringement.Peter Rehse 00:38, 9 November 2006 (UTC)


There were organized competitions in Japan for quite some time - the first competition in front of the emperor was in 1929 - I don't think it is correct to say that he was against that entirely. Also Japan was fighting in China and elsewhere before it went to war against the US - militarization was a serious problem for at least a decade before WWII. The way the article was written these points were confused.Peter Rehse 08:26, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Also once again there is a copyright issue http://www.iydk.com/history.html. Lazy or what - well at least its relatively short so I'll see what I can do.Peter Rehse 08:29, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Unassigned references

I have changed some titles in the article: footnotes should read References, since that's what they are. The References section I've changed to Unassigned references because all those references aren't assigned to a specific place in the article by means of a 'ref' tag. Now the authors who used those references should correct that by properly linking to each of them using the ref tag, this way the article will be on its way to a better grading. Regards. Loudenvier 14:52, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Agreed Mr. Svinth added greatly to the content of this article however it is hard to know which pieces of information are supported by the numerous references. If we link them up in the way of footnotes I think the article would be much improved. For my part I will try to do the same in places where I have contributed.--Mateo2006 16:33, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New Directions

I forgot to thank you and other contributors for improving this article so fast after it was tagged a copy-vio a few months ago. With a little patience and some effort we could even dream to make this a featured article in wikipedia. Kano is a very important historical figure for Japan, the world and specially anyone practicing Judo. Thanks! Loudenvier 18:33, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, Kano is definitely deserving. A great contributor to the Japanese education system in addition to his work in promoting judo and physical culture. I'd like to see the article fleshed out a bit in this direction as well. Mr. Svinth also mentioned the lack of personal details like family history etc which need to be filled in. Anyone? --Mateo2006 04:13, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Moving sections to Kodokan Page?

- I added another quote describing his views on Olympic judo. A thought here. The article is getting long. What do you think of moving the section on the Kodokan's development to the Kodokan's own page? I think that might be more appropriate, and shorten this up. Joseph Svinth 10:07, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, currently the Kodokan page mostly focuses on the building and the organization if memory serves so we could put in the history of the development. I don't see a problem with the Kano article getting long, in and of itself however a more appropriate location for the material is a different matter and worth considering. Anyone else have thoughts on this?

I'm not so keen on the idea as it will require 'tweaking' in order to have anything like a consistant narrative flow with the Kodokan article ...and that sounds like 'work'. :)

However I'm happy to let it go that way if others are.--Mateo2006 19:21, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

I moved text about, and added sources to the Kodokan section. Joseph Svinth 00:17, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
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