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Barnstar, awarded by Aminz to Jibran1 for his admirable contributions to the Islam related articles(in particular Criticism of Islam and Origin and development of the Qur'an). Good job!

Hello, I found that you are trying to add an image to the Samarkand manuskripts. Thanks. --Bhadani 17:33, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Nice to meet you. Please write few words about you on your user page. Happy editings! --Bhadani 17:03, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Burj Dubai

I'm wondering why you removed this sourced paragraph:

Most of these workers are forced to give up their passports upon entering Dubai, making it very difficult to return home. NPR reports that workers "typically live eight to a room, sending home a portion of their salary to their families, whom they don't see for years at a time." Others report that their salary has been withheld to pay back loans, making them little more than indentured servants. Local newspapers have carried stories of construction workers allegedly not being paid for months on end.

I can understand rewriting, but I'm not sure I see the reason for full on removal. Thanks. -Quasipalm 17:06, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Good point, perhaps we could put a "see also" and point to the subsection of the Dubai article. -Quasipalm 17:37, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Criticism of Islam article

Could you please let me know what does it mean to you that God repents? We know that God is oft-repenting. Thanks --Aminz 06:32, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Haven't you heard that "Inna Allaha Tawaboun rahim"; God is called to be Tawab which means the one who repents frequently. When we say God repents, it has a totally different meaning of course. I am trying to find a link for you. Peace. --Aminz 07:08, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Jibran, point #1. Tawab literally means the one who frequently repents (ask a native speaker). It does not literally mean the one who accepts the Tawba. Tawba literally means to return. But I agree that it is not generally understood in the way I said in the Muslim community. So, please go ahead and remove Tawbah from the article.

point #2. There are a lot of places in the Bible that God repents. please have a look at [1]. You'll get an idea of what repent means in the bible. Thanks. --Aminz 07:34, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

A question: The 'Acceptor of Repentance' means 'ghabel al-tawb'; this is used in Qur'an. If "tawab" and "ghabel al-tawb" have the same meaning, why Qur'an uses both of them. Thanks --Aminz 07:53, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Yusuf Ali translation of verse 49:12: " O ye who believe! Avoid suspicion as much (as possible): for suspicion in some cases is a sin: And spy not on each other behind their backs. Would any of you like to eat the flesh of his dead brother? Nay, ye would abhor it...But fear God. For God is Oft-Returning, Most Merciful. " Oft-returning is the translation of "tawab". Salam--Aminz 05:16, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Art_LaPella doesn't think that what I am doing is vandalism

Art_LaPella doesn't think that what I am doing is vandalism. I don't appreciate this warning of "vandalsim" as similar "warning" MUST have been issued to the Muslim_sunni and his co-cultists who keep inserting hidden links into WikiPedia Islam-related pages to pursue their agenda to seek legitimacy and recruitment. Following is the TALK excerpts which I have been having with Art_LaPella:

I appreciate your input. However, question of the day is: Why would WikiPedia allow someone using different IP addresses and IDs to edit the pages and link-back to his webmastered web-sites? In this case, Cronodevir (talk · contribs · logs · block user · block log) is NOT only using Muslim_sunni (talk · contribs · logs · block user · block log) (He is NOT a mainstream Sunni but follower of Al-Ahbash / Habashies / AICP group and maintain at least 11 web-sites which includes Sunna.info and Qibla.us) id but also two different IP addresses: 67.68.246.46 (talk · contribs · logs · block user · block log) and 65.92.130.151 (talk · contribs · logs · block user · block log) - And yet he is allowed to to roam / lurk around WikiPedia Islam-related pages to insert hidden links to his web-sites, to pursue his agenda and direct traffic to his web-sites / group. And he is so "smart" that each time he inserts the hidden link, he makes sure that that link is going to be listed on the TOP. If this is NOT Complex and Delibrate Vandalism then at least it must constitute to a blatant abuse of WikiPedia content's integrity and credibility. McKhan

If everything McKhan has written is correct, then his adversary should be called a link spammer (not a vandal). See Wikipedia:External links#Links to normally avoid. A persistent link spammer can be banned by a an administrator (I'm not an administrator), but Wikipedia hasn't yet invented a good way to fight a banned user coming back with another ID. However, making him start over with a new ID would temporarily deny him some privileges like starting new pages. Art LaPella 01:57, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

I changed my mind. "Spam" meaning this kind of link spam is mentioned at Wikipedia:Vandalism after all. Oh well. Art LaPella 16:23, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

And let me warn you here, any unfair attempt to invoke nepotism or nationalism of any sort on the WikiPedia will be challegned and will be addressed. McKhan

I appreciate your feedback. Sunna.info and Qibla.us and at least 11 other web-sites which are managed by the guy who claims to be "Muslim_sunni." Though, he belongs to a stray sect called Al-Ahbash / Habashies / AICP. There is plenty of information available over the internet. He is from Montreal, Canada. If you want to learn about the reality and tactics of Al-Ahbash / Habashies, please feel welcome to read this research report by The International Institute for the Study of Islam in the Modern World (ISIM) which concludes: At first sight, devices such as live interactive lessons or voice chat groups seem to encourage debates within the movement, but, on the contrary, close examination reveals that these instruments are primarily used by the leadership to increase its ideological control on their followers and to attract new devotees. Similarly, if one checks the AICP’s unofficial e-forums (www.talkaboutislam.com), one discovers that they function as ideological spider webs. Nothing points to the fact that these websites, which only present themselves as being “Islamic,” are actually part of the Ahbash’s cyber network. For instance, they are not related to the official websites by any hypertext link. Therefore, the random visitor is normally unaware that he or she is exposed to a set of selected opinions through carefully controlled debates. Firstly, zealous participants frequently post chapters of books edited in Lebanon by the AICP, but without any reference to the author or the editor. Secondly, veteran members answer questions concerning fiqh (jurisprudence) and reprimand novices whose religious knowledge is considered “deviant.” Thirdly, a team of regulators supervise the discussions and are in charge of censoring the Ahbash who are too keen to use takfir (excommunication) —since such a stance is considered a mark of extremism by most of the Sunnis—but above all of eliminating most of the messages posted by participants of Salafi persuasion. Ideological hegemony is thus achieved by the creation of a neo-traditionalist virtual space in which they assess very critically the ideas of leading Islamic personalities such as Amr Khalid, Khalid al-Jundi and Yusuf al-Qaradawi. In the same way they reduce the Wahhabi doctrine to a mere “heresy” in line with the Ottoman scholarly tradition of which they consider themselves to be the inheritors. (Source: http://www.isim.nl/files/Review_15/Review_15-50.pdf). To learn more about Al-Ahbash / Habashies, you are more than welcome to read / visit:

*Internet in a Sectarian Islamic Context

*Jamaa’at al-Ahbaash (the Habashis)

*Al-Ahbash: Evolution and Beliefs

*The Habashies Weighted On The Scales of the Sharee'ah (Jurisprudence)

*A Sufi response to political islamism: Al-ahbash of Lebanon

*Al-Ahbash: Their History and Their Beliefs

*Habashies / Al-Ahbash / Ahbash / AICP

*Talk = Al-Ahbash

All these web-site belongs to Al-Ahbash / Habashies / AICP:

*http://www.sunna.info

*http://www.sounah.info

*http://www.2mfm.com

*http://www.qiblah.us/

*http://talkaboutislam.com/

*http://forumislam.com/

*http://mouhammad.org/

*http://www.aicp.de/

*http://www.aicp.ca/

*http://www.icpa.org.au/

*http://www.spearssports.org.au/

*http://www.amislam.com/

*http://www.alsunna.org

*http://www.aicp.org

*http://www.aicpmultimedia.org

*http://habashies.blogspot.com

*http://www.alamanah.nsw.edu.au

*http://al-ahbash.org

*http://truesalafi.com

*http://Mouhammad.org

*http://asha3ira.com

*http://maturidi.com

*http://jawaaher.com

*http://forumislam.com

*http://safeena.org

McKhan

[edit] RfA Results and Thanks

Jibran1, thank you for supporting me in my recent RfA. Although it did not succeed as no consensus was declared (final: 65/29/7), I know that there is always an opportunity to request adminship again. If and when that day comes, I hope you will once again support me. If at any time I make any mistakes or if you would like to comment on my contributions to Wikipedia, you are more than welcome to do so. Regardless of your religious, cultural, and personal beliefs, I pray that whatever and whoever motivates you in life continues to guide you on the most righteous path. --- joturner 02:18, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Qur'an changes

Oh, sorry. Moving too fast on RC patrol, that's all. Blackcap (talk) 06:28, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Thats ok :) Good to know that you're keeping an eye on Wikipedia article for harmful edits --Jibran1 06:31, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Haman(Islam) article

Hi Jibran, I am currently really busy. An editor has removed lots of stuff from this article [2]. If you have time, could you possible please discuss these changes with that editor. thx. --Aminz 07:20, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Thx, actually it is HAMAN, and not HAMAS :D

This one is more interesting I believe. thx. --Aminz 07:52, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Robin van Persie

The Islamic Times article about Robin van Persie is an unattributed copy of an old version of Van Persie's Wikipedia article. References to van Persie converting to Islam were removed from that article after they could not be verified. I spent a fair while looking for a source to verify the claim but all I found were Wikipedia mirrors, hence I removed him from the list of converts. Oldelpaso 15:14, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

Thank you for your hard work on the article of Criticism of Islam. I appreciate it.

Regarding the sentence: "... same sphere as the Golden Rule, although often these injunctions are only designated towards other believers". I should say you are right in removing it since the link was not provided. But to be honest, there is more to this and the sentence was sort of true. I think God in Qur'an usually says that he loves believers and not Kafirs. He may say that he is merciful to all at some level; but much more stress is laid upon those who believe or repent. In many places he says that he doesn’t love several types of people. --Aminz 09:38, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] When did I do that?

"Stop adding commentary and your personal analysis of an article into Wikipedia articles." <== Please provide an example of when I did this (I'm not saying I didn't, I just don't recall doing so. ) 83.146.55.85 00:23, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] THANK YOU

Jibran, Thank you so much for the barnstar! You didn't have to do that. I had a look at Origin and development of the Qur'an and found it much better than past. You are really doing WP (and the world) a great service. Great job! thank you for the barnstar again. --Aminz 23:21, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Talk:Pakistan

Thank you for the barnstar, it is much appreciated. :) Green Giant 00:30, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for your encouragement

Looks like everyone is thanking you. I'm only now learning how this template works, and there may be some improvements we can make to it. I'll be back to add it wherever I find the Qur'an cited, though it may take awhile...I wonder if we can get a template for Bukhari as well?Timothy Usher 04:19, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Bukhari template.... not a bad idea. I dont even know the first thing about creating a template, but I'm down with us having more, because of the convenience associated with it. How DID you create that template? :) --Jibran1 04:23, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

I didn't, Tom harrison did. I'm working with him now to add a few others, one to allow us to link to Qur'an without the word "Qur'an" displayed (where it's implicit/has appeared earlier in the sentence) and one to allow us to cite ranges (X:Y-Z), as well as Bukhari equivalents.

Good luck on your tests.Timothy Usher 21:44, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Jibran1, Check it out,

009:010

Template:Quran-usc-num

009:010-015

Template:Quran-usc-numrange

Four display options. Still waiting for the green light from Tom harrison on naming conventions, so don't use them yet.

I'll get to Bukhari shortly.Timothy Usher 03:47, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Awesome! I really believe that this is going to make life a lot easier, over time, for a lot of editors :P --Jibran1 03:56, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] VfD of weal tag

Jibran, I saw you are a fan of the less-intrusive ^{[weasel words]} (weal) tag [3] You might be interested in participating in the VfD for this tag. [4] --Unweasel 14:52, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Islamic scripture template news=

1) Template:Quran-usc has been altered in two respects:

a) it’s no longer required to input three digits - this is automated thanks to joturner.

b) the template no longer includes “Qur’an” in the bluelighted display. Editor may choose to write it or not (or “Sura”, or “verse”, etc.) according to context.

c) thus the “-num” variants are redundant and should not be used.

2) The “range display” problem is still not solved - more information coming soon.

3) Template:Bukhari-usc is operative, with three variables (volume, book, hadith), and automated tridigitation as per Quran-usc.

4) Template:Quran-usc-num, Template:Quran-usc-numrange and Template:Buhari are defunct and should be deleted.Timothy Usher 07:42, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Islam Peer Review

I am requesting a peer review for the Islam article. If you have any suggestions, please let us know. Thank you very much. BhaiSaab 01:54, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:IM000099.JPG listed for deletion

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[edit] Some material

Jibran, I have found the following sourced matterial but either didn't found the right place to add them or wasn't able to do it or didn't have time for it. It is about dhimmi article. I am leaving wikipedia. Would you please keep your eyes on that article. If you found any new editor working on that article, it would be good to provide him a link to this.

"Dhimmis were little disturbed during the rule of Ommiads (with the exception of Omar II) since "it was not in keeping with the worldly policy of those rulers to favor the tendencies of fanatical zealots."^[1] Jewish encyclopedia states that "Intolerance of infidels and a limitation of their freedom were first made a part of the law during the rule of the Abbassids, who, to bring about the ruin of their predecessors, had supported theocratic views and granted great influence to the representatives of intolerant creeds. Under them also the law was introduced compelling Jews to be distinguished by their clothing. At a later period such distinguishing marks became frequent in the Mohammedan kingdoms." ^[2] Some restrictions imposed on dhimmis from time to time, such as the use of neck seals in the administration of the poll tax in seventh- and eighth-century in Syria and Iraq ^[3], and requirements to wear distinctive clothing, were symbolic in nature and were designed to highlight the inferiority of dhimmis compared to Muslims."

"There were also many enlightened conversions to Islam among the Jews in the twelfth century. Grätz considers it as “partly owing as to the degeneracy that had taken hold of Eastern Judaism, manifesting itself in the most superstitious practices, and partly moved by the wonderful success of the Arabs in becoming a world-power”. There were also many forced conversion to Islam due to “the rise of the Almohades (Unitarians), in 1142, and the great wave of religious reform, mixed with religious fanaticism”. ^[4]"

"The Shia jurist Grand Ayatollah Makarem Shirazi comments that the main philosophy of jizya is that it is only a financial aid to those muslims who are in the charge of safeguarding the security of the state and Dhimmi's lives and properties on their behalf ^[5].

Many Muslim scholars, but not all, have recommended jizya to be collected in a humiliating procedure based on the Qur'ans usage of the word sa:ghiru:na in Qur'an 9:29."

"Allameh Tabatabaei, a prominent contemporary Shia scholar, commenting on a hadith that claims that the above verse has "abrogated" other verses asking for good behaviour toward dhimmis, states that "abrogation" could be understood either in its terminological sense or its literal sense. If "abrogation" is understood in its terminological sense, Muslims should deal with dhimmis stricly in a good and decent manner. ^[6]"

Thanks and take care my friend. --Aminz 06:32, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Are you still making a recording of the Islam article?

Because I'll be more than happy to record the article instead. =)

oops, forgot my signature.

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[edit] Hi jibran

Please visit [5] page and add your personal email (if you don't mind) at the bottom for better collaboration, networking and comunication. Thanks :) Omerlives