User talk:Jessemckay

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[edit] Hello from former IBMer

It appears you wrote the original article on System Support Product. I used to work for IBM for 20+ years, and was curious about what lead you to write the product. Also, I'm thinking of putting the article into a category and wondered if you had any thoughts. Gerry Ashton 16:27, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] AWAB

[edit] AfD nomination of AWAB

I've nominated AWAB, an article you created, for deletion. We appreciate your contributions, but in this particular case I do not feel that AWAB satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion; I have explained why in the nomination space (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and the Wikipedia deletion policy). Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/AWAB and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of AWAB during the discussion but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Crystallina 03:36, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Summarised

We all know there are differences between English and the American use of my native language. By all means steal it and murder it, but please do not presume to correct it when its not wrong. --Gibnews 16:50, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Reply in detail on my user page. Happy New Year! --Gibnews 11:50, 31 December 2006 (UTC)


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[edit] Summarised/Summarized and other abuses of the former Colonials To Gibnews, who must be more well-versed in the Wiki than I:

Use of "English-English" as opposed to "American English" isn't wrong, so much as it is (to my sense) nonstandard. And so this becomes a style issue.

Neither England nor America owns the language; presumably we (the speakers) do. Yet the UK dialect has the lorry, the bobby, roundabouts, the chemist and the loo, while the US dialect has "yadda, yadda," "jumped the shark," "ba-donk-a-donk," and the third-person, plural, possessive "y'all's." An English woman who says "knock me up sometime" might not mean what an American girl means. Referring to corned beef and cabbage as "bubble and squeak" is likely to produce stares in the States, just as calling a trolley a "buggy" might befuddle a Brit.

An equitable solution might be to altogether avoid words with regional spellings, but there are few words that mean gray/grey and too many instances of this phenomenon.

The sick part of all this is, chances are, the wiki guidelines mention this problem, and I haven't applied what I haven't read. But then, it's an encyclopedia. Or encyclopaedia. Whichever.

Best wishes, Jessemckay 07:41, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

I think one needs to distinguish between differences in spelling and slang and the meaning of words.

If we are writing for others to read and be informed, both need to be treated with respect. On a page describing a technical subject which has application to all sorts of English speakers, I suggest that where a spelling varies between English and a bastardised variant, that the version inserted by the original author should be left alone. Thus I would not dream of changing summarized if you wrote it however horrendous and appalling it looks to me.

However, on a page which describes a national topic, the spelling should reflect the localisation of that place, so on the page about the UK saying the flag used the colors red white and blue is wrong, although it would be correct on the page about the USA.

This also applies to changing the references to Football to Soccer on the Gibraltar pages, which is wrong, whereas on a page about the game in America it needs a different word to prevent misunderstanding.

--Gibnews 11:46, 31 December 2006 (UTC)


I concede that there are many flagging arguments to defend de-Britification. An ad populum appeal would fail because so many international readers have learned the UK dialect. A nationalist appeal would fail as well - Wikipedia is not an American creation. The wiki model does not particularly support an appeal to authority. An appeal to tradition seems to be more supportive of the British as well. The RPG language and the System/36 were certainly popular in the UK. But all these arguments are moot at their creation; only one rationale remains.

I believe that an article best serves the readers when its style does not argue with its content. The reader of a professional or technical article such as ours should not be challenged by style shifts generated by multiple sources and edits. I wrote an article in English because that is my language, and in the USA dialect because that is my dialect. Having done that - having used "color" instead of "colour," and so forth - this became the standard, for good or ill. I wanted to write an article about a business programming language that people could read and enjoy. You have added to this article, and it has become better.

In this spirit we will not have an argument here because there is no argument; there is only the work, and our appreciation of the work, and our development that allows the work to move forward.

Future visitors and contributors to our article are not bound by our wishes, and, through patience or persistence, overtake us. This is the highest praise we will receive, that someone else thought enough of our work to contribute.

Thank you for your interest in the RPG II language, and thank you for your contributions.

Jessemckay 18:12, 2 January 2007 (UTC)



I trust you appreciate some of my comments are not meant too seriously; have looked at the policy pages and they are not clear. However my analysis of usage is a sensible attempt at resolving the differences. I find myself particulary enraged with Bill Gates who recognises all sorts of foreign varients of English but not actual English. I also admit to patching time zones to include Gibraltar as I don't live in Paris or Madrid. Some web designers fail to include us in their pull down lists of countries, and do not include a catch-all 'Other'. There again Symantec wants to sell us Spanish language product in Euros, so they are worse. --Gibnews 16:40, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

The machine I learnt RPG/2 on is pictured on System/3 the original photo was underexposed and lurked until the means to enhance it were developed. I still have removable disks and boxes of cards for the 10d somewhere. --Gibnews 19:35, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] IBM System/34

Hello! I saw your contributions to the S/34 article and other AS/400-ish servers here on Wikipedia. Since WP is more of a general encyclopedia, I thought I would pass along http://wiki.midrange.com/ which is a much narrower wiki. Feel free to jump in and improve http://wiki.midrange.com/index.php/System/34, as it's about a short an article as you will ever see. Thx. — MrDolomite • Talk 16:31, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

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