User talk:Jergen

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You have new messages (last change).

Contents

[edit] Scouting barnstar

I, Rlevse, award this Scouting Barnstar to Jergen for his great contributions to Scouting related articles, especially in the area of non-English speaking countries.

Rlevse 23:06, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Common design for templates

Brother, you always have good ideas, what do you have in mind? --Chris 11:01, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

ps-do you know how to grab graphics from a PDF file? I need the lower one from Welcome to Guiding in the Northwest Territories and Nunavut

That was an easy one Image:Wagggs-ggc-ntnu.png. You can grab images with Acrobat reader; normal setting is text but you can switch to images. --jergen 12:18, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
Thanks, brother, I did not have appropriate software. Next idea, since there are articles for multiple Scout associations in Germany, Denmark... what about NORS and ORYuR for Russia? Chris 17:57, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
Well, that's one thing I'd really like to do - unfortunately I don't understand Russian so I can't contribute much content on these organizations. But there is some hope: We will have some Russian guests (RAS/N as far as I know) at our national jamboree starting August 3rd. At least one of them should speak German and we should also have some translators (also Scouts but from a different German association).
But this may take some time; back home from the jamboree I'll move away from K-Town to Worms. --jergen 18:54, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] What do you think of Scouting now? Is it GA?

Randy has done a lot to it, imho improving it enough for GA. A lot of more work needs to be done before it can be A-Class (or FA) yet, but several important steps are done. Would you please respond on Talk:Scouting? Wim van Dorst (Talk) 22:16, 10 July 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Happy holidays

Hope you're having fun, brother, we miss you! Chris 00:12, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Please rename the Belgian scouts article

See also Talk:Guidisme et Scoutisme en Belgique

Please change the name of this article to The Guides and Scouts Movement of Belgium instead of giving it the French name. The national Movement in Belgium officially has 3!!! names and not just the French one. Maybe we should use the English name (since this is the English wikipedia) or rename it Scouting in Belgium. Jorgenpfhartogs 06:52, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Strong oppose: The French version of the name is the most commonly used version (also by both WOSM and WAGGGS); if you search via Google (name -wikipedia) you get these results:
french: 13.100 [1]
flemish: 45 [2]
english: 2 [3]
Question: Which is the third official name? Is there a German version? I don't think that Guides and Scouts Movement of Belgium is an official version defined in the bylaws of the organization; IMO it's nothing but an translation for international visitors.
I don't think that anybody would search for these very uncommon versions of the name, but for all eventuallities they should redirect to Guidisme et Scoutisme en Belgique. --jergen 08:19, 19 August 2006 (UTC)


I still very, very strongly disagree. First of all, you looked on the German google. The Belgian google gives a different picture.

French: 16.800 (but comes up with the Flemish name first (!))

[4]

Flemish: 857 (but ONLY gives you the Flemish pages)

[5]

English: 23.800!!! (AND comes up with the English version first!!!!)

[6]

Other facts:

There are more Flemish people in Belgium than Francophones and German Speakers. (58%)
There are more scouts in the Flemish organisations than in the Walloon ones.
For the FOS: The girls in Scouts en Gidsen Vlaanderen were a part of the Nederlandse Gidsenbeweging or Nederlandse gidsen (from 1957 onwards )until 1973 when Scouting Nederland was established.
For the FOS: The boys in Scouts en Gidsen Vlaanderen were a part of the Katholieke Verkenners until 1973 when Scouting Nederland was established.
The first groups in Belgium were part of the Belgian Catholic Scouts.
The non-Catholic scouts were united in the Boyscouts de Belgique.
In 1912 the Belgian Catholic Scouts became the Baden-Powell Belgian Boy Scouts.
When going to [www.scouts.be www.scouts.be] you'll see they call themselves Guides and Scouts and Belgium and The Guides and Scouts Movement of Belgium!!!


The Germanic scouts are normally seen as a part of the Walloon organisations (the Oostkantons are their own Gewest, but, with a huge influx of Walloons, is normally seen as part of the Francophone Gewest. The normally call themselves Pfadfinder Belgien. There are only a few groups in Belgium that are fully German. A few of them are part of the Flemish movement, a few of them are part of the Francophone movement and a few of them are even part of the German movement.

A lot of ignorant people that don't know Belgium think it is a French-speaking country since most Flemish speak French and most Walloons DON't speak Flemish. Brussel is supposedly a bilingual city (in Flemish territory!), but has a huge influx of Walloons. The fact is that Dutch is spoken by the 6 million people in Flanders to the north, French by the 3.5 million Walloons in the south!!!

More so: most English speakers will look for Scouting in Belgium rather than Guidisme et Scoutisme en Belgique. You have to be able to speak French to come up with this name and since the majority of people on wikipedia search in English I really, really strongly think we should DEMAND an English name for the article!!!!

Jorgenpfhartogs 15:58, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Jergen: as I am no expert on languages in Belguim, I support whatever you think on this one. The debate on which language to title an article in comes up often. Belguim is unique in that it has more than one language in use. Whichever isn't used should be a redirect to the other.Rlevse 16:33, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
Normally I answer only once; pls see Talk:Guidisme et Scoutisme en Belgique --jergen 18:28, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] World Association of Girl Guides and Girl Scouts (WAGGGS)

Hi, I've seen that you requested a translation of the german wikipedia article Sangam which I created there. I also created articles for:

I can do the requested translation if you wish. But let us made a deal. The german World Association of Girl Guides and Girl Scouts article needs your map of the world regions, the german World Organization of the Scout Movement article too. Please load it up to the Wikipedia Commons.

Please answer on my german User talk! -- User:Manuel Heinemann 09:30, 29 August 2006 (CET +1)

Hi Chris! I've complete the translation of the german wikipedia article Sangam. Please proofread it. -- Thanks! Manuel Heinemann 22:19, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
Jergen, do you know how to upload to the Wikipedia Commons? Chris 19:23, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
It's quite the same like here - but you need a separate account on commons. Commons accepts only a limited number of licences, uploading as "fair use" is not possible. For more informations see Commons:Welcome. --jergen 06:56, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vandal

Good teamwork on Scouting's vandal. I was putting warnings on his page while you were reverting!Rlevse 13:27, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Canada Scout Badges

I was wondering if any of you could check my edit on the page Scouts Canada Scout Badges and see if it's worth anything?

Thanks, Taykid41 16:35, 2 Sept. 2006 (UTC)

Looks good - but I can't check it's full context since my association is one of the very few who don't issue any badges. I have no experience with badge oiented Scouting. --jergen 21:01, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Scouting

Check out the 21:39 02 Sep edits by Nixinator. I think they may be too US centric and would like your opinion. Edit as you feel appropiate, of course. Rlevse 22:05, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Was already reverted when I came upon it. --jergen 08:43, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
Yea, I saw that this am too. That means we agreed-;) Rlevse 11:29, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] request for help against deletionist

this guy really wants to delete my recent additions for illustration-Image:LaszlonagyU.jpg‎, Image:Laszlonagycarlgusta.jpg‎; and Image:BoyScoutsofNippon.jpg, please help me save them from him. I hate having to do this all the time. Chris 22:07, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Moves

Hi Jergen, while your reason given for the move at Magyar Cserkészszövetség is arguably a good one – though the applicable policy says "with a reasonable minimum of ambiguity" –, I see no reason why Association of Hungarian Girl Guides should be at the Hungarian name. (The fact that web references use the Hungarian name is no argument: every organization's native name will be used more often than a translation.) Please set up a requested move if you think I'm wrong, but don't revert the move against the established convention. Thanks & happy editing, KissL 09:57, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Scouting tireless contributor

The Scouting Tirless Contributor
The Scouting Tirless Contributor

- For over one year of countless high quality contributions to Scouting articles, especially in the international area. Rlevse 02:27, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image talk:--MongoliaScoutsuniform.jpg

Hi Jergen, would you weigh in on this discussion? Chris 22:26, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Translations

Jergen - I changed the title of your posting on the discussion because I think it more accurately reflects the discussion. In any case, I'm sorry if my move of the Italian page has caused you consternation.

I think that the issue is pretty straightforward and that we can resolve it amicably on the talk page. --evrik 09:34, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

--evrik 10:35, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, I think, you did link the page on nearly all Talk pages, didn't you? --jergen 10:43, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
  • I only linked the ones where you had made a comment. I was working off this list {{EuropeanScout}}, and you haven't commented on most of them. --evrik 10:51, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Václav Havel

Some anon added him to List of notable Scouts. How can this be when he'd have been of Scout age during the Nazi/Communist era? Or did the Czechs have something we consider Scouting during that time? Rlevse 17:05, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Scouting was allowed (and very active) during the Prague Spring, so Havel may have been Scout during these years (but he was in his thirties at this time). A second possibility: Some European Scout organizations name the acting head of state as honorary president.
Since I couldn't find any mention of Havel as a member of the movement, I'll remove him unless a source is given. The only hint of a possible membership I could get was a speech to the European Scout Conference, adressing the "sisters and brothers Scouts". --jergen 09:01, 23 November 2006 (UTC)


I'm that anonymous. WW2 was until 1945, after WW2 was scouting legal. Communist era started in 1948. After 1948 cummunists started to destroy scouting and replace it by Pionyr and SSM. So as a kid Vaclav Havel could be (and he was) in boy scout troop. He was in a part of boy scouts called "water scouts". I remember I saw it in some boyscout magazine after 1989 (it must be Junak because there weren't any other boyscout magazines) but you could find it in google. I also remember that when he was a presidnet he was some sort of "bodyguard" of czech scouts and I was on some "parade" in Prague where many scouts walked to Prague castle to see him.

Some links:

http://strediskohrozen.blog.cz/0609/seznam-slavnych-ceskych-skautu-a-skautek http://www.cin-centrum.cz/dejiny1_50.htm http://www.skauting.cz/prachen/jak_nas_vidi/slavni/slavni.html

Again me, the best is to search for václav havel chrobák, because chrobak was his nickname. Half of the links on the first page of google seems relevant.

[edit] Evrik is moving anyway

Please see: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Scouting/Translations#Algeria. Evrik is moving articles regardless of our discussions. --Cpt. Morgan (Reinoutr) 09:21, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

  • Not so. I would appreciate both of you being civil and stop accusing me of vandalsim, etc. --evrik (talk) 17:10, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Project mediator offer

Bduke has offered to be the Scouting WikiProject mediator and accept this as his first case on these conditions: 1. All parties must agree to his mediating. 2. All parties must not move any articles until the mediation is completed. 3. If consensus is not reached they must let User:Rlevse as the project coordinator decide whether to implement my final conclusions.

(3) means that Bduke will make a final recommendation if there is no consensus and User:Rlevse can accept it or reject it. Either way, the decision is final and all parties are bound by Scout's honor to follow it.

I am posting this on everyone's (Evrik, Jergen, Cpt. Morgan (Reinoutr)) talk page so they will not miss the offer. Failure to respond with a 'accept' or 'not accept' on the Translations talk page will be taken as an 'accept'. This offer will last until 2400 UTC Dec 2, 2006. Keep in mind that we live all over the world and users need time to respond---specifically, Bduke lives in Australia. DO NOT make any moves until at least 24 hours have passed since his last posting on an issue. Rlevse 01:52, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Trefoil

Take all the time you need, brother, and thank you for the headsup. I have put info I can find into talk pages to be folded into articles. Chris 20:12, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Guiding categories

I replied to your comment on my talk page before I looked at my watchlist and saw you had removed the Guiding cat from a lot of articles as a parent. Maybe you are right. I prefer to see what others think. So for now WAGGGS members go in that category which has the Guiding cat as a parent and everything else Guiding go in the Guiding cat. Is that your thinking? --Bduke 02:05, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Category:Guiding hasn't been edited since July, Category:Scouting not since Sep and Category:WAGGGS member organizations not since early Oct. This appears not to be a recent change. Rlevse 03:06, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

I've looked at this to see what your guys are talking about. What's odd is that WAGGGS is both on the same level as Guiding (both as a sub of Scouting, as is WOSM) and also a sub of Guiding. If we make WAGGGS only a sub of Guiding, some GG/GS may say why isn't WAGGGS at the same level as WOSM? I have a suggestion that I think will meet both your concerns and also follow wiki policy on categories: Put WAGGGS, WOSM, and the non-aligned cat all under "Scouting related associations" and put WAGGGS under Guiding also. Thoughts? I've put this on both your talk pages. Rlevse 12:45, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

I was on the same way of thought: Starting a Category:Scouting organizations with subcategories on WOSM, WAGGGS, non-aligned and insular organizations.
But our categories' system needs some more work: There are too many project categories on top level. --jergen 12:51, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
We already have "Scouting related associations", I suggest using that one as it means about the same thing as "Scouting organizations". I'm neutral right now on moving the project cats out. Rlevse 12:55, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
Agree now on project articles. I'll move them to the already-existing Wikiproject Scouting cat. Rlevse 13:00, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
"Scouting related associations" covers something I'd call "secondary organizations" who support the movement but are not necessarily a part of it. That's not quite the thing I had in mind for the "real" associations.
I propose the following future structure for the organizations/associations' categories:
  • Category:Scouting organizations
Further on we should find a way to bundle all/most Scouting biographies in one category; at the moment they are distributed all over the place. --jergen 13:17, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, your idea is even better. I'll do this right away or do you think we should put it on that project talk page first? Rlevse 13:20, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Be bold. This can be reverted easily if somebode objects. --jergen 13:22, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
With one tweak, International Scouting should be under Scouting by country, it should be under Scouting and then all that other structure you came up with under that. That OK? Rlevse 13:26, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
Try it. In my eyes International Scouting is also part of Scouting by country, but its organizations should somehow have a connection to the organizations' category. --jergen 13:39, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
I'll see what I can come up with. Rlevse 13:44, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
I'll check it later on. For the next hours I'll be off. --jergen 13:46, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
See my sandbox, User:Rlevse/sandbox, with this structure I'm OK with International Scouting also as a sub of Scouting by country. Rlevse 14:25, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mediator

If you won't agree to Bduke, there's a wiki mediator who's an occassional project participant, User:Markovich292. I also know a wiki admin in the MILHIST project who I think would also do a good job-User:ERcheck. Let me know who you'd agree to that the others may agree too. Rlevse 19:37, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Scouting FAC question

I'm asking you this because I think you wrote these parts. See the FAC for Scouting. There's a question about what are now footnotes 51-54 (Includes ####...) and that the ref'd articles don't have valid refs for the numbers. Can you add footnotes to both Scouting and the country articles or tell me what the refs are and I'll add them? Thanks. Rlevse 16:29, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Saw your note on the FAC page. Please do what you can otherwise, we'll at least have to remove the footnotes and maybe even the numbers from the count on the page for whatever country. For refs you find, we can put them in Scouting and the country articles. Since you have the counts in the country articles, I'd suspect sources are available as the counts had to come from somewhere. Truly appreciate all help. Rlevse 19:46, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
I started with Germany and hope this is sufficient. Please fee free to format these sources since I'm not used to the complicated system used on the English Wikipedia. --jergen 20:40, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
France also done. --jergen 21:00, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
Many thanks. Hopefully you can find the others. Rlevse 21:01, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
Saw you found Italian ones too. Only Belgium and Poland left now. Rlevse 03:08, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Belgium done. --jergen 09:49, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Poland done. --jergen 10:57, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Many thanks, but while I see why you removed some of the refs I put in the membership chart (duped from the Scouting in... articles), some clearly had membership info. I'll mull over what to do with it. THanks too for finding a way to separate the notes. Rlevse 11:11, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Yes, I removed these references because they refferd only to one of the associations - and all these countries have more than one/two organizations... --jergen 11:16, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Hm, good point, but that doesn't make them "strange" -;) Again, many thanks for the help. Rlevse 12:31, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
the notes are set up now, but the dynamic links in Belgium and Poland aren't working, I'll fix it later. Rlevse 15:00, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
They all seem fine now. Rlevse 16:28, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New cat

I've created Category:Scouting in Russia and put some articles in it, but I've sure there are others I haven't found yet. Rlevse 15:02, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Found one. --jergen 21:04, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Task force

As no one has objected to the name or Kingbird being the TF coordinator, I've creating this. See the the TF talk page and main page (on the project navigation pane. Rlevse 15:13, 10 December 2006 (UTC)...go to Wikipedia:WikiProject Scouting/Girl Guiding and Girl Scouting task force. One of the first things members should do is define your goals and scope. I and I'm sure others will help with templates, ideas, whatever you need, just let us know.Rlevse 15:24, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
drop by the task force page, Kingbird is trying to get it off the ground. Rlevse 16:46, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image captions

Brother Jergen, At the link you sent me to, it says "Photos and other graphics should have captions unless they are “self-captioning”, ... when the graphic is an unambiguous depiction of the subject of the article. I've taken off the caption boxes for several reasons-

1) Many of the articles are beginning to standardize to the WorldScout template, which does not use the caption box.

2) The images _are_ selfexplanatory, except in cases like Burma or Georgia or Laos or Mali, where there is some text or some part of the emblem which bears explanation.

3) Other articles on the Wikipedia, like articles on corporations or police departments or army units, do not use the caption box, it is understood that the image used is their logo.

4) Removing the caption boxes makes the articles look cleaner, especially since many of the fleur-de-lises you got at that German site have too much white space around them. Removing the caption boxes deemphasizes that.

5) Several of the removed caption boxes were poorly titled or misspelled. Nobody is going to look at the image and think it is something unrelated.

Those are my reasons, I hope you understand. Now, if there is consensus from project members to put them back, I will stop removing them, but I hope you will understand my logic and let me continue. Thanks, brother. Chris 15:38, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Then you're not reading all the articles very carefully. On the Dominican one, I specifically explained what the badge is. If you feel you must follow after me and delete the work I do, that is your problem, not mine. Wikipedia is for everyone to edit. I've tried to be Scoutlike with you, I just don't care to anymore. Chris 08:30, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
These articles were on my watchlist - is this forbidden? Pls read WP:AGF and try to follow the standards set up for image uploads. --jergen 08:35, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Redirects

I don't mind putting in your project tags, but could you please put in redirects on your non-English articles? Virtually no one is going to come to the English wiki and type in Association des Guides du Burkina Faso, for example, especially not if its a non-Latin script. The odds of these being found on a search are virtually nil. Rlevse 22:09, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Concernig project tags: I don't put them because I don't want to rate my articles myself. A second view is often better.
Any proposal what this user might type in? WAGGGS doesn't use any translations of associations' names when they are in French or Spanish and most of these associations (especially the African) don't have web presences (and even when, only in French or Spanish). My translations in the articles are only rough and homemade, so I don't want to link them.
And Wikipedia's search is far better than you may think: "Guiding Luxembourg" gives this result. The first listed article is the one users may search for. Even Google lists the relevant article as #3 in its search [7]. (I took this article since its old enough to be indexed.) --jergen 11:05, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Anything with an official translation is good and anything you've used in your list. There's nothing wrong with several redirects to the same article, just as both WAGGGS and WAGGS point to the full spelled out article. I made the Latvian redirect myself because someone complained about it not being there. Face it, not may people on the English wiki are going to type in a name in French, much less Latvijas Skautu un Gaidu Centrālā Organizācija. They shouldn't have to use wiki's search, they should be able to go directly to the article or only use one redirect. It's also in our RulesStandards to make the redirect from the last time this came up and I really think it's a quite reasonable way to do things.Rlevse 11:16, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] rv - voting Sock puppet

Thank you, Jergen, I thought that looked very much like a sockpuppet-most of the names they want in English don't translate exactly. I have an idea, they do this in the Central Asia project. What would you think of taking each of the proposed redlinked name sequences, and making them all redirects, so they all pipe back to the proper article with the proper name in the local language? I mean, I find most articles just by typing "_x country_" and "Scout", but there are some it doesn't work for. (I see Randy's proposal above, that's kind of what they do, like with the interim Turkmen president.) Chris 06:27, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Russian Scouting Question

Hi, I'm trying to find the Russian equivlant of the Eagle Scout (US). I asked Rlevse for help, and told me to try asking you. I believe it's the Order of the Bronze Beaver, but googling, the Russian Association of Scouts/Navigators article, or the List of highest awards in Scouting could acertain the answer. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you. Zidel333 18:01, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

The Order of the Bronze Beaver is - AFAIK - the highest award of (at least) one of the Russian Scouting organizations [8] and equivalent to the Silver Buffalo Award.
I don't know which rank is equivalent to Eagle Scout but you should remember that Russia has a many Scouting organizations with different advancement schemes so their should be some "equivalents". The Russian Union of Scouts' shop doesn't list rank badges.
Concerning RAS/N: There is some evidence that this organization is mainly virtual [9]. --jergen 09:51, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] News on Scouting in Russia

Hi Jergen, thank you for the information. That doesn't surprise me-when I lived there, it was very difficult to contact actual Scout officials, almost as though they were too careful to talk to outsiders, but the moment they wanted something from _you_, they could find you. Now, on the RASN site, there is a picture of a fellow with a great big green fleur-de-lis over his right pocket, he may just be support personnel. As far as I know, there really are no functioning, healthy in the accepted sense, accessible organizations among those WOSM has accepted, except Georgia and Armenia-and that's WOSM's fault. The Region really needs to be split up between the European and A-P Regions, if for nothing else than to get it out of the hands of the KGB showboat at the top. Chris 18:45, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you so much for finding the website for Sakartvelos Gogona Skautebis Asociacia 'Dia', I spent all morning trying to find it, and then I had a wedding to go to, it was going to bother me. I had it on my old computer before it crashed. You are great at research. Chris 02:09, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hallo Jergen

Ich beantrage die sofortige Aufhebung meiner Sperre, die du gegen mich ohne eine Anhörung von mir ausgesprochen hast. Hättest du den Text genau gelesen, so bezog sich dieser nicht auf eine Fälschung durch die Benutzerin:Irmgard sondern bezog sich darauf, dass evangelikale Vereine -egal welcher Colour- oft ihr Datenmaterial verändern und zu hohe Zahlen angeben. Dies bezog sich nicht auf Benutzerin Irmgard selbst !!!! Davon distanziere ich mich ausdrücklich und finde es schon ein starkes Stück, dass ein solche Sperre ausgesprochen wurde von Dir, ohne mir Gelgenheit zu geben, danach gefragt zu werden. Benutzer:GLGerman/ User:GLGerman 212.95.119.46 00:12, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Es ist schon ein starkes Stück, dass du mir hier Fälschungsvorwürfe gegen Benutzer:Irmgard unterstellst. Entweder hast du dies bewusst oder unbewusst gemacht, da ich dich auf meiner Liste der Negativerfahrungen einsortiert habe. Aber du solltest genauer lesen, dass sich der Vorwurf nicht gegen Benutzerin Irmgard richtet, sondern meine Meinung ist, was evangelikale Vereine und fundamentalistische Vereine angeht -egal ob christlich oder beispielsweise islamisch. Ich habe dies gerade per E-Mail beantragt und mich über dich wegen dieser Sperre beschwert; niemals würde ich hier Benutzerin Irmgard selbst Fälschungen unterstellen. Es geht um eine Meinungsäußerung von mir bezüglich evangelikaler und fundamentalistischer Vereine und wie diese ihr Mitgliederzahlenmaterial aufbereiten. Du solltes schleunigst, die 3 Tagessperre aufheben. 212.95.119.46 00:33, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pfadpfindereinsatz

Über deinen Pfadfindereinsatz auf der Wikipedia bin ich sehr positiv beeindruckt.GLGerman 03:49, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Danke für die Blumen. Die reine Artikelarbeit ist deutlich einfacher und auch angenehmer als das Administrative, da sie konfliktärmer ist. Die Adhoc-Enscheidungen, die man als Admin immer wieder treffen muss, haben dafür viel mehr Potenzial. --jergen 08:25, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Scouting controversy and conflict

I made some changes to the article to focus more on the issues. --Jagz 07:06, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Scouting/Translations

This is not getting sorted out. Since you said you did not accept me as a mediator, nothing has happened. I am prepared to help. Do you have any ideas about sorting it out? I am hesitant to even join the debate after you rejected my offer to mediate. Reply here or e-mail me if you want from my user page. --Bduke 11:27, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm now willing to accept you - but I don't think that any mediation would work while somebody's sockpuppet User:English Subtitle continues moving articles; at least one of them againts a former discussion on renaming it Talk:Boy Scouts and Girl Guides of Austria. --jergen 14:45, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
  • I'll accept ... --evrik (talk) 22:32, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Clever Chess Playing with GL German --80.142.203.208 10:53, 22 January 2007 (UTC) but completely the wrong way.

Hi Jergen, have you had time to look at the long discussion in "Discussion 4" of the mediation? Evrik should be back now and I'll ask him to comment too. I have been searching for a compromise that was between your position and that of Evrik and one that might be more convincing to people outside the Scouting Project who might want to change titles without knowing what we have done. In this regard, the Honduras article is a good case and you might also give your thoughts on what should be done with the title of that article. I look forward to reading your views. --Bduke 23:42, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

I'll remember your kind actions. --English Subtitle 22:22, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Catholic Scouts of Europe/Katholische Pfadfinderschaft Europas again

I already apologized. I also asked that the history be merged. --evrik (talk) 19:08, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

  • I meant to answer this yesterday. I did my best to get the articles history fixed and assumed that it would go back to Katholische Pfadfinderschaft Europas, now that it hasn't ... Catholic Scouts of Europe is fine for now... but I don't feel strongly either way. Change it if you must ... otherwise ... let's finish the mediation. --evrik (talk) 05:33, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
  • How do you feel about Catholic Scouts and Guides of Europe?

[edit] Gang Show

I responded to your comment re the above's inclusion in See Also without having looked at your User Page. My response was to provide a dictionary definition of international. This was not meant to imply that your command of English is inadequate although I now see that it could be interpreted as such. I provided the definition to support my contention that Gang Shows are sufficiently part of the movement internationally to merit a See Also link. I apologise if there has been any offence given. There was none intended. Albatross2147 13:37, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

There was no offence at all... I should have written "worldwide". --jergen 13:41, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Help

We need your expertise at Talk:Scouting#Citation_Match-up.Rlevse 17:15, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] UEB

Sorry, I'm stupid brazillian, I can read books in portuguese, for example, Guide of Scout, publish by UEB, in this book have the history of UEB, if you have some itel, you can understanded Rodrigo.T.Argenton 19:02, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Don't understand what you want to express; if you can't express it in English, please write in Spanish (preferred) or Portuguese (only as second choice; I may misinterpreted some content).
I reverted you edit in Brazilian Scouts Association: the portuguese wikipedia is no valid source, crossreference is not allowed. --jergen 19:27, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Page Moves

Hello, thanks for your message. I am sorry I could not help sooner, I was not around much last week. I am available to try to help with those page history problems now. Is there anything new to tell me about the situaiton or should I just wade in? Thanks, Johntex\talk 16:27, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

OK, I'm sorry I got here too late this time. Please don't hesitate to look me up again and hopefully I will be able to help next time. Johntex\talk 16:37, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] French Scouting

Sounds good to me, brother, and I will also make the correction in the Indochinese articles. :) Yours in Scouting, and your friend, Chris 22:21, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

I can't tell when it was taken out, but The Uganda Scouts Association makes no mention of WOSM. Also, I sent you an e-mail, I would like your thoughts. Chris 08:20, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
The article never had a leading definition. --jergen 08:55, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Thank you so much for your work in helping improve the not-yet-WOSM stubs, I am glad there are some of us who really care about the World Scouting articles, I am glad you are here, brother. Would it help to add the {{infobox WorldScouting}} box to all of them? We really probably should do that to all World Scout org articles. Chris 04:13, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
ps-just had a brainstorm. You seem to have good access to World Scouting documents, perhaps in those unrecognized countries, maybe we can find what exactly keeps them from being recognized? :) Your thoughts? Chris 04:45, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
I don't think that the infobox would make these articles any better - quite the contrary: It would be a clear statement that we know (near to) nothing on Scouting in these countries. But it should be included in the articles with more content.
My access to world Scouting documents is the same as yours: via the archives on scout.org and wagggs.org and via Google. It sometimes helps to search in other languages than English: Many of the ressources on smaller associations are only in the country's native language. --jergen 09:19, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Evangelical Scouting

Maybe you should write over evangelical scouting ? GLGerman 16:02, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Maybe you should stop talking about things you don't understand? Or are you referring to Protestant Scouting as in the German Verband Christlicher Pfadfinderinnen und Pfadfinder, the Swedish Frälsningsarméns Scoutförbund, KFUK-KFUMs Scoutförbund and Svenska Missionskyrkans Ungdom Scout, the Danish Danske Baptisters Spejderkorps, KFUM-Spejderne i Danmark and De grønne pigespejdere, the Norwegian Norges KFUK-KFUM-speidere or French Eclaireuses et Eclaireurs unionistes de France? Or perhaps to non-aligned movements like the Royal Rangers and Pathfinders?
BTW, Wolfgang Huber is a former member of the Christliche Pfadfinderschaft Deutschlands (a predecessor of the Verband Christlicher Pfadfinderinnen und Pfadfinder) and a de:Kreuzpfadfinder - which makes him surely (supposing your sight of these matters) a promoter of evangelical positions. --jergen 17:39, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lusophone

I made a redir for this, Community of Lusophone Scouting.Rlevse 16:12, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks; I'm just working on this. Redirects are part of the final steps. --jergen 16:14, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
No problem.Rlevse 16:35, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Scouting troll

The troll Testbed, re child abuse,...his ref is BSA specific and not appropriate for a Scouting-wide article. Be careful not to feed the troll.Rlevse 21:48, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Just posted a defence to this unfair charge on [[10]] Testbed

[edit] Orphaned fair use image (Image:Thailandc.gif)

Thanks for uploading Image:Thailandc.gif. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable under fair use (see our fair use policy).

If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any fair use images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. —Remember the dot (talk) 23:31, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Orphaned fair use image (Image:Germanbdp-k.gif)

Thanks for uploading Image:Germanbdp-k.gif. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable under fair use (see our fair use policy).

If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any fair use images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. —Remember the dot (talk) 23:46, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bund der Pfadfinderinnen und Pfadfinder

Chris created this article. DOesn't it already exist under a different name? SHouldn't there be an "en" at the end? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rlevse (talk • contribs) 09:52, 23 March 2007 (UTC).

No:
  • There was no article on this organization until tody.
  • The title is correct; when speaking of Boy Scouts "Pfadfinder" is singular and plural.
I'll expand it a liitle bit. --jergen 10:08, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
  • OK, then why isn't it "Pfadfinderin und Pfadfinder" Why does the female term get the pluralizing "en" but the male term doesn't?Rlevse 19:34, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
It's just German grammar: plural of "Pfadfinderin" is "Pfadfinderinnen", plural of "Pfadfinder" is "Pfadfinder".
  • Guides: sing. die Pfadfinderin, der Pfadfinderin, der Pfadfinderin, die Pfadfinderin; plur. die Pfadfinderinnen, der Pfadfinderinnen, den Pfadfinderinnen, die Pfadfinderinnen.
  • Scouts: sing. der Pfadfinder, des Pfadfinders, dem Pfadfinder, den Pfadfinder; plur. die Pfadfinder, der Pfadfinder, den Pfadfindern, die Pfadfinder.
It may look strange but the name is very clear to those speaking German; both genders must be plural (indicated by der, -innen and und). Otherwise it would be Bund der Pfadfinderinnen und des Pfadfinders (Union of (many) Guides and the (one) Scout) or Bund der Pfadfinderin und des Pfadfinders (Union of the Guide and the Scout) - which is nonsens. --jergen 19:58, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Ah , got it, my German is rather rusty these days. Of course, Englisch is much stranger!Rlevse 20:02, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thailand emblem

Thanks for uploading Image:Thailandc.gif. Could you please explain what this image is of and why it is being included in the article The National Scout Organization of Thailand? —Remember the dot (talk) 20:30, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Deleting replaced images

I noticed that you tagged Image:Germanbdp-k.gif for speedy deletion. In the future, please just use {{subst:orfur|Image:new image name.png}}. This is the appropriate way to get rid of unfree, unused, replaced images. For unused, unfree, non-replaced images, use {{subst:orfud}}. —Remember the dot (talk) 20:35, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Orphaned fair use image (Image:Wagggs-south africa.gif)

Thanks for uploading Image:Wagggs-south africa.gif. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable under fair use (see our fair use policy).

If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any fair use images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. —Remember the dot (talk) 21:27, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Scouting/Translations mediation

Hi Jergen, I see you have not been too active on the English Wikipedia recently, so I understand, but we would like your comments on the current state of the mediation. I would like to move it forward at the weekend. --Bduke 21:44, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Orphaned fair use image (Image:Wagggs-greece.jpg)

Thanks for uploading Image:Wagggs-greece.jpg. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable under fair use (see our fair use policy).

If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any fair use images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. —Remember the dot (talk) 21:33, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Thailandc.gif

Thanks for uploading Image:Thailandc.gif. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in Wikipedia articles constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale.

If you have uploaded other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on those pages too. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any fair use images lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. —Remember the dot (talk) 04:38, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org../../../j/e/r/User_talk%7EJergen_7ab1.html"