Talk:Jerry (WWII)

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Jerry was a World War II nickname given to German soldiers, the German armed forces, or collectively the entirety of Nazi Germany. It has analogues from different eras in Tommy (British) and Ivan (Russians). It is supposed that the name sprung from the Jerry can, a flat-walled metal fuel tank of an originally German design ^[1]. However, in English slang the term Jerry can also refers to a person who might more commonly be called a fool or idiot.

This is arse about face. The Jerry can was named after the Jerries not the other way round. Jerry is just a short form of German. I'm not sure this article is needed, what more can be said. Also However, in English slang the term Jerry can also refers to a person who might more commonly be called a fool or idiot. - I have never ever heard of this. Please cite an example of this usage, or this goes to speedy delete heaven. Jooler 19:19, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Both of those claims were copied from Jerry. If we can't trust Wikipedia, who can we trust? (that was sarcasm) - But seriously, I don't need the hardass attitude...if you've got some sources on this being "the other way round(sic)", please share them. --Kickstart70 19:26, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

And could you not remove and redirect while we're getting this sorted out? Geez...I'm trying to be helpful here, don't be an ass. --Kickstart70 19:28, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

In this edit [2] the factoid about jerrycan meaning fool was added to Jerry. Frankly not a very trustworthy source. Removed until verified. As for Jerry being named after the can - that is a simple matter of proving that Jerry for German predates it. Which of course it does - and to prove it look at this extract from a diary first published in 1930 http://www.firstworldwar.com/diaries/nightmare.htm Jooler 19:38, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

See below. I know it was not absolutely perfect, that info was copied from the Jerry page, as you now know. I just needed time to get it fixed. --Kickstart70 19:50, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The case for this article

As linked, other equivalent names have pages (Tommy Atkins). There is a lot of history here that can be added, such as first usage, continuing uses (Tom and Jerry), etc. Give me a chance (more than the hour since creation) to get the content in place. --Kickstart70 19:32, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Tommy Aitkins has a lot of history to be sure. And to have an article with as much information here would be great. But frankly I don't see that as a very likely possibility. Anyhow until this contains more than two erroneous factoids I don't see any harm in the redirect. Jooler 19:41, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Like I said, give me some time to sort it out. I'm only able to edit this on work breaks. Anyway, I've cleaned it up, added more facts and cites, removed uncited claims. It's a much better article and hopefully you won't stomp on my work while I attempt to get more information in place over the near future. --Kickstart70 19:47, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Look here - where's your citation to say that it was created during World War I. How do you know it didn't exist before that? You can't just add information that you think might be true. Also the "supposition" about jerrycan is no such thing. It wasn't even in the original Jerry article - what is your evidence for this being a belief by anyone but yourself? Jooler 19:52, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

That WWI creation claim is supported by the first etymology citation [3]. I am still digging for a cite for the latter claim. Will you quit f'ing jumping all over me while I get this all together? If you disagree with my edits, that's one thing, but at least make sure I haven't already provided proof to what you've claimed are uncited issues. --Kickstart70 19:58, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

I have removed that factoid until I can find a cite specific to people believing incorrectly that 'jerry' came from 'jerrycan' (I have a book cite, but not one online yet). I've cleaned up the article and added more cites (please read them before claiming that I'm incorrect or unsupported). I will be added more as time and patience is available. --Kickstart70 20:12, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Disputed again, Jooler? Which part this time? --Kickstart70 01:36, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Removed the tag for now - doesnt seem to me to include anything controversial now. Hopefully Jooler will be in a better mood tomorrow and may contribute something positive. Jameswilson 03:11, 8 March 2006 (UTC)