Talk:Jermain Taylor

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[edit] Taylor-Hopkins

This is to CardsPlayer

I'm not sure where you get off calling someone's edits biased and opinionated.. when anyone in boxing who isn't from Arkansas can agree that the comments were correct. I re-submitted the edits with less of what you might call bias and you still revert. Total BS The changes were based on FACTS. BoxingNut83 15:36, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Ok, thank you for your comments. I edited some of the comments to "tone down" the perceived bias, but left the overall form of the edits you made (basically, made the article seem more "encyclopedic"). I think it is a fair compromise. (Cardsplayer4life 23:40, 13 April 2006 (UTC))

Sounds fair. Personally, I thought the 2nd fight's decision was more controversial than the first, but people let it slide as the official decision suggested Hopkins lost the first fight and since he was on his way out.. there wasn't as much of a fuzz made about it. Hopkins didn't have dominantly winning rounds like in the 1st, but I believe his better distributed punch output resulted in what should have been a win. I scored fight 1, 115-114 for Taylor and fight 2, 116-113 for Hopkins. If you're a boxing fan, you know judges will give the nod to the up and coming guy if they can do so.. especially considering Hopkins is a guy who has always been perceived as somewhat of a jerk. BoxingNut83 01:32, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I pretty much agree with your assessment. I was able to watch the first one, but not the second (although I have since seen the replay, but my perception might have been "tainted" since I knew the outcome in advance). I won't lie and say I am not a Taylor fan (I am), but I tried to give Hopkins the benefit of the doubt, and I thought that the first fight was slightly more controversial because the one judge admitted afterwards that if he had been watching the fight from a different angle, he would have scored the last round differently, whereas in the second fight it was a unanimous decision. I agree with you that Hopkins probably doesn't get much of a break from boxing fans (and the public at large) because of some of the comments he makes, and his perception as a jerk. (Cardsplayer4life 02:46, 14 April 2006 (UTC))

I also thought Hopkins won both fights, I thought he didn't get credit for even many of the early rounds in both fights where Taylor missed a lot of punches, but looked flashier and won the rounds on the cards. Reminds me of Holmes-Spinks II and De La Hoya-Whitaker where the older fighter slows down a bit, still does enough to seemingly deserve the decision, but winds up losing a controversial decision. But I hope the rest of Taylor's career goes better, I think he's a good fighter overall -6/7/06

There is no justification for stating that "most" fans feel the second fight proved Taylor's youth eclipsed Hopkins' experience. I would change my stance if there is any empirical evidence showing that "most" fans feel that way, but otherwise it should stay at "some" fans or be removed entirely.

[edit] Olympics

There is no mention of his Olympic record and career. Could someone who has a good knowledge of him and his career make a section on this please. Thanks in advance.--Quadzilla99 17:04, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

FYI, he won a Bronza Medal on the 2000 Sydney Olympic.(see Boxing at the 2000 Summer Olympics However, I can't write in detail because I can't saw him on the Olympic game. --Watermint 17:24, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

I added a section on his amateur career, including the Olympics. It might be a bit rough, so anyone that wants to add anything else, or clean up what is there, feel free to do so. (Cardsplayer4life 17:28, 6 August 2006 (UTC))

Thanks, Cardplayer4life!! --Watermint 17:42, 6 August 2006 (UTC)