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[edit] Welcome to Wikipedia!

Hello Jeffmatt, welcome to Wikipedia!

I noticed nobody had said hi yet... Hi!

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[edit] Counterpoint in songs, etc

Hey buddy! Nice article on Eje, there. I added some categories and such, but I didn't know about him. Now I do. It was no problem, by the way, helping out your page on Play a Simple Melody. As for that category thing, I'm going to do it sometime soon if nobody beats me to it, I promise. I'll talk to you later! --ParkerHiggins 20:29, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Musical markup

In response to your question on my talk page, I've never entered any musical score, and I'm not familiar with Lilypond. However, your solution seems to make sense; as long as you end up with a PNG or a jpg, and it looks alright, it ought to be fine, yeah? Seems good to me. Send me a message when you have something posted, I'd like to see how it worked. --ParkerHiggins | Talk 07:35, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Salvatore di Giacomo

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[edit] Virgil's Tomb

Greetings. You have actually complimented the wrong person - I did not write the article on Virgil's tomb, which was contributed by an unsigned in editor. All I did was disambiguate a reference. john k 05:18, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Molella

The article Molella has been speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This happened because the article seems to be about a person or group of persons but it does not indicate how or why that person or group is notable. If you can indicate why the subject is really notable, you are free to re-create the article, making sure to cite any verifiable sources. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. You might also want to read our criteria for speedy deletion, particularly item 7 under Articles. howcheng {chat} 20:29, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the note on my page. For articles about people and especially music acts, we do ask that they meet certain criteria for inclusion, specifically see WP:BIO and WP:MUSIC. If he's really a prominent DJ/producer, you could list some of the acts he has produced (it would help if those acts had charted some singles/albums), for example. Italy, huh? I've never been but my wife says it's beautiful. I've traveled a lot around Asia, but not Europe. Regards, howcheng {chat} 17:08, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your recent image submission: Image:Ravellofest01.jpg

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That also applies to Image:Sancarlo05.jpg. Nice photos, by the way. --Anguis 06:14, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Music of Italy

I've just started a new job, so I have little time. Music of Italy looks quite good -- I might have time to do a closer review this weekend, but I suggest you start a peer review so it can get some other eyes. Tuf-Kat 01:50, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

OK. I don't know how to do that since I've just started this Wikipedia stuff. I assume you mean External Peer Review and not Article Assessment.Jeffmatt 07:02, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
Just make a page at Wikipedia:Peer review/Music of Italy formatted the same as, for example, Wikipedia:Peer review/Universal pragmatics, and then add it to the top of the list at Wikipedia:Peer review. Tuf-Kat 12:27, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Refs at Music of Ancient Greece

My bad about the two ulrich thing. Since the name of the refs were identical, I though they were the same note. You want to make sure, when using the ref/notes system, that all pairs are distinct and with different names to avoid issues with linking (clicking on the second ulrich refin your original version linked to the note in the first paragraph). The a/b/c system allows for multiple identical references, something that templates make awfully hard to do.

I've fixed the note now. Circeus 18:26, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Music of Italy infobox

Well, I though there was no reason to cut the link you had originally made. However,itwould probably make more sense as a "List" entry in the festival section. You might also want to cross-check that list with the festivals listed for Italy at List of music festivals. Circeus 13:43, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

For Ancient Greek music, I'd probably go with {{greekmusic}}, no need for overdoing it. You migh consider creating a generic footer/article series template for all Ancient musics, though (stuff like Ottoman music, Chinese classical music... and so on), or maybe eve a long "History of music" one. Dunno, really. Circeus 15:45, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ancient music deletion

I removed the ancient music template from the prehistoric music article as prehistoric music is not ancient music but what was before ancient music. Thus I also removed prehistoric music from the ancient music template. However, a better alternative may be to indicate that before ancient music was prehistoric music and after was early music. Hyacinth 10:44, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Music of Calabria

Yeah, you mean... you don't get paid?


I was joking, man. I was adding the stub templates and I figured I should write a short intro instead of unformatted bit about it being in progress... all wikipedia articles are in progress... so, it's better not to write that. Sorry if I annoyed. :( gren グレン 06:12, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Map

I won't blame you at all. the {{Qif}} conditional I used can be a nightmare to use. Circeus 13:42, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Music of Emilia(-)Romagna

I asked User:TUF-KAT to fix the small mess you made by creating bot Music of Emilia-Romagna and Music of Emilia Romagna. Just to let you know. Circeus 00:14, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image copyright problem with Image:Baynap02.PNG

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Thanks for the response. Jeffmatt, it does not matter where you put the image without copyright information. All the images should have their licenses according to wikipedia policy. Important thing is Wikipedia wants to collaborate the work as most as can do. It will be very shameful to me if I am obsessed with wikipedia. Please release a copyright information which is suitable to you and policy. Regards, Shyam (T/C) 16:53, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image copyright problem with Image:Superstore1.jpg

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Please signify the copyright information on any other images you have uploaded or will upload. Remember that images without this important information can be deleted by an administrator. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me, or ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. --Hetar 23:27, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

I noticed this and took the liberty of tagging it with {{GFDL-self}}. Feel free to change/confirm it. Circeus 00:47, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
Oh, actually, it seems to be a forgotten duplicate of Image:Superstore01.jpg. Youmight want to ask an admin to speedy it. Circeus 00:49, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
I have nominated it for deletion, as it's obviously not needed. Circeus 17:14, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Comic Opera

Thanks for your message. The comic opera article has turned out nicely, and your excellent start was extremely helpful. Marc Shepherd 12:11, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Music of Italy

Good to see you back! Music of Italy is looking very nice, - I think the main thing it really needs is some copyediting, as some of it doesn't have a very encyclopedic tone. I've got some stuff I think I'd like to add/revise, but it might be a little while before I have access to the reference. A few issues you may be able to fix with (relative) ease: the lead section is too short, the "folk instruments" section should not use bulletpoint lists, and a shortage of citations for certain parts (generally, each paragraph should have at least one citation). Tuf-Kat 00:57, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Music of Italy, continued

You're welcome: by the way, nice job on that article. That reminds me, I've been intending to add a bit to the pre-1600 section if I ever get back to writing instead of vandal patrolling ... Antandrus (talk) 05:33, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

At Jeffmatt's request, I've expanded the Timeline of trends in Italian music, seriously expanding the early, medieval, and Renaissance sections, and adding a few tidbits to the early baroque. I'll try to parlay my notes into some expanded material for the Music of Italy article itself. I'm not sure how much detail is appropriate for this article; let me know if it's too much (or, less likely, too little). Peirigill 01:36, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
I'm glad my additions to the Italian music timeline were useful! I'm trying to convert it to more of a narrative form for the Music of Italy right now. Peirigill 06:17, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Okay, I've expanded Music of Italy through the early baroque. Let me know what you think! Peirigill 09:35, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Music of Italy, continued, continued

Oops! Forgot about Hiley. I've added him in. The cite template is easy; just copy and paste one of the existing citations, starting with the *{{ and ending with the }}, and just replace the original data with the data from your new source.

Let me explain the situation with the links on "madrigal." Someone had already created a disambiguation page for madrigal, including a link to the 16th-century madrigal and another (red) link to the trecento madrigal. Normally I would use the direct link to the correct page and avoid the disambiguation page altogether, like I do with popes and kings. In this case, the first reference to "madrigal" was a mention of how Dante's championing of the vernacular helped promote later Italian genres in the vernacular... including both the trecento madrigal and the 16-century madrigal. Here, the ambiguity is real and even desirable, so I left the link going simply to the disambiguation page. Later, when I was talking about the trecento madrigal, I used the direct link that the disambiguation page itself points to. As you've seen, that page doesn't yet exist, but it should, so I'm content to leave a red link. It's a page that needs to be written, and the red link is a reminder to do that. It's also a reminder that the two kinds of "madrigal" are very different beasts, which shouldn't be lumped together just because they have the same name.

At this point, the article is too lopsided in favor of the early periods. There's probably some material there that could be tightened or omitted; as Blaise Pascal once wrote, I'm sorry this letter is so long, but I didn't have time to make it short.  ;?) Even more important to creating balance, though, would be for someone who knows the material to expand the sections from the baroque onwards. Peirigill 18:14, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Images for (early) Music of Italy

I'm not creating links, so I don't clog up your talk page, but take a look at these: Well, there's a picture of Guido d'Arezzo: Image:Guido dArezzogrises20060526.jpg and one of the Guidonian hand, which I'd recommend: Image:Guidonian hand.jpg

for the trecento, here's a picture of Landini: Image:Landini.jpg and a sample (in modern notation) of the Landini cadence: Image:Landini-cadenza.PNG

Here's Gesualdo's cheerful mug: Image:Gesualdo2.jpg I'm sure there are other Renaissance composers' portraits to be found on Wikicommons.

Here's a pretty Italian harpsichord - dated 1677, so a little after my period, but a great image nonetheless: Image:Clavecin italien.jpg

Hope that helps! Peirigill 10:27, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Music of Italy

Hey, thanks for your help on the terminology page. I just made various changes to the popular music sections on music of Italy. I think three main things still need to be done to make that article ready for FAC.

  1. Create a section for musicology, historiography and the like. (Music of the United States has one, as an example)
  2. Upload sound samples (which I can make a good start on without difficulty)
  3. Move the very nice history section to its own article. Some of the most important stuff from there ought to be incorporated into the classical section. I think the history section should be moved because it is very long (and the article itself is very long) and all the most relevant historical facts should also be in a different section anyway (making it redundant).
  • Tuf-Kat 03:11, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] You're welcome!

You're welcome. Recently, I've been trying to properly reference articles I encounter. Seeing as weapon dance is properly sourced, I thought I'd add the WP:CITE stuffs in. Anyways, I was going to contact you anyways if you have the ISSN information for the journals you have cited. Cheers. —Jared Hunt August 29, 2006, 15:07 (UTC)

  • Oh, I was thinking of putting all of the "references" stuff into "Notes and References" also known as "Footnotes" and getting rid of the old references because it is rather redundant. I don't think there is the "ultimate" manual of style we could follow on this issue, but reading this may be helpful. If you have a suggestion we could agree on, let me know. —Jared Hunt August 30, 2006, 09:51 (UTC)
    • Not that I'm a "meister" at anything, but that's a reported problem occuring since not long ago (two days at most). The bug is filed at bugzilla:7162. —Jared Hunt August 30, 2006, 09:52 (UTC)
      • By the way, you can fix that problem on the fly by clicking edit this page, then replacing "edit" on the URL with purge. Anyways, I'm doing some referencing job on the Weapon dance article currently. We'll see how it looks then when that is done. Usually, some refencing makes everything nice. For example, look at Trevor Graham and Rocketboom I worked on last time. (Don't worry about cluttering up my talk page btw, I think it's rather an honor to be interacting in Wikipedia :D —Jared Hunt August 30, 2006, 10:09 (UTC)
        • (to note) the problem was fixed here, so no worries. But there may be pages in which it never refreshed itself, where you need to either re-edit or do the &action=purge magic. —Jared Hunt August 30, 2006, 23:35 (UTC)

Good work at the new additions, you've mastered the citing magic now! Now, what should we do with the previous references? —Jared Hunt August 31, 2006, 07:02 (UTC)

  • I tried fixing the add section problem. I don't know where you added to start with, so I just purged cache again. I fixed the Kurath problem, take a look and let me know if it looks all right. Other problems, let me know too. —Jared Hunt August 31, 2006, 07:25 (UTC)
    • Great! I think I made a mistake last time somehow. Cannot understand why. Human errors I assume. Anyways, I think we should get other editors' opinion on how the references should be dealt with. I think we could fit all of them in the "Notes and References," but we have different opinions. Got to go at the moment. —Jared Hunt August 31, 2006, 10:02 (UTC)
      • You're completely right: There's no consensus. This is clearly evident because today's FA, Atomic line filter, is in the Music of Italy style, while yesterday's FA, Gremlins, is in Weapon dance style. Music of Italy looks like Weapon dance before I participated. I personally prefer the Weapon dance style because it is easier to maintain and one can look at the source directly, without having to look it up again in "Bibiliography" section. —Jared Hunt September 2, 2006, 12:39 (UTC)
        • I think alphabetical is more suitable for print media. Even I would use alphabetical if I were to publish a book, but this is a different matter for the Internet because books don't have the help of hyperlinks. Go ahead on deleting bibliography section. By the way, how about we all try to bring either Music of Italy or Weapon dance to FA status? I can work on references on Music of Italy next. —Jared Hunt September 2, 2006, 12:58 (UTC)
          • Sorry for the late reply. I'm sure TUF-KAT will do a decent job on that article, provided that he's an experienced admin, etc. I won't be working on Music of Italy then. I wish there was a consensus among Wikipedians on which ref system to use however. With all the tools available, they are still not the "standard." Well, good luck with bringing MoI up to FA status, or a Good Article status. Good job with works in Weapon dance by the way. —Jared Hunt September 3, 2006, 15:51 (UTC)

[edit] Music of Italy and Weapon dance

Yeah, you're looking in the right place for the peer review (Wikipedia:Peer review/Music of Italy). Peer review doesn't really get a lot of action these days, but it's still considered best to go through it before FAC (it's always possible we'll get some comments). FAC is the real review though.

I've seen the system used at weapon dance before. I'm not really opposed to it, but I don't generally like it either. I think it tends to work better when there are many references used once or twice, unlike music of Italy, where the references tend to be used many more times. Tuf-Kat 19:59, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Oh, oops, I could have sworn I'd done that. Yeah, it should have been listed there. I'll fix it. Tuf-Kat 15:23, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] link to Basque Country

When you want to link to the article about the Basque Country, please do not link to Basque Country, as that is a disambiguation page (which nothing should be linked to). Instead link to the one of the options found on that page such as Basque Country (autonomous community) article, by writing out [[Basque Country (autonomous community)|Basque Country]]. Regards, -- Jeff3000 21:10, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Ref format

Nice find, pretty much the same discussion, except with a bit more people on a larger scale article. No consensus there either :D. I'm for putting the same references into the same name with <ref name=""/>, because it reduces redundancy. While the number scheme may not work smoothly, I still prefer this format. I'm still not sure on what I think about ref then a separate bibliography though. —Jared Hunt September 7, 2006, 00:57 (UTC)

[edit] Castel Nuovo

Thanks for your help! If you're interested in Naples' history, I've recently modified the following articles that needs maybe some copyediting:

Attilios 16:44, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pedro Álvarez de Toledo

Hi Jeffmatt. I posted this on my talk page, but in case you're not watching that, here it is again:

Hi Jeffmatt. Glad I could help. I just sort of stumbled across it, but when I find a picture that way I try to see if it's been added to Wikipedia. I've been working on a similar time period, but on the colonies of New Spain and Peru. I hope a night's sleep got you unsteamed. That usually works for me.
--Rbraunwa 15:20, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Copyedit help

Thanks a lot! I think now we can start to live with some history articles. But there's so much to do, still... Ciao and good work! Attilios 19:40, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Hey man sorry I don't mean to keep bothering your articles. You know i have my own busy work to do on wikipedia its just I always happen to appear at the right place at the right time!! Ernst Stavro Blofeld 09:04, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Naples landmarks

Ciao! Thanks for your addition of Naples landmarks articles. Good work, but I'd like to claim your attention to: 1) the format, which should follow the Wikipedia rules (see WP:Style), and correctness of infos (for example those in Santa Chiara were mostly wrong. As I've no more Internet connection for some days, if you've time and will you could correct the articles in the path of what, for example, I did in San Lorenzo Maggiore. I also removed ALL the landmarks you added to the template:Naples landmarks as it was intended just to contain the main ones, like Template:Rome Landmarks and others. Otherwise it will fill the bottom of the page with too many links and make it appear clumsy. Bye and good work!!!--Attilios 12:45, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] License tagging for Image:Lombardinapoli.jpg

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[edit] Style of articles

Hi, again Attilios. Your articles about Naples landmarks are really useful. However, they have some part which do not accord to WP:Style rules. 1) The beginning of the article chould be something as "S. Giovanni Maggiore is a church in Naples" etc., and NOT "The church of San Giovanni Maggiore in Naples is located at ..." or so. 2) Categories. Naples' articles I think need only one category, i.e.: "Churches of Naples" or "Buildings and structures in Naples". They are both subcategories of category:Naples, and the former is a subcat of the latter, so don't need to add all them! 3) When you create a REDIRECT article, instead of "see etc." simply add the following: #REDIRECT[[names of article (there's the button #R in the Wikipedia editing menu)

Hope I've been useful. Ciao and good work!! --Attilios 17:10, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Italian music

I copyedited a printed version of the article, and once I input those changes, I think it'll be ready for FAC. I should be able to do that last half tonight. Tuf-Kat 17:31, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I kinda figured it'd come... But hell, if Gregorian chant is covered here, then why not ancient Roman music and Etruscan music, but really all that stuff is just as important to Music of France or Music of Greece as it is Italy, so... whatever, I'll continue to have faith that clearer heads will prevail. Tuf-Kat 22:11, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] hi

It's not your faullt; my problem is with Raul, the Director of the FAC process. He appears to have no idea of the notion of conflict of interest. This has come up before twice in relation to other nominations, and I don't seem to be able to get through to him on this matter. If he interprets the reviews and comments, and calls a judgement on whether each nomination should pass or fail, he should not be expressing his personal opinions during the review process, simple as that. He has to be seen to be even-handed, as well as actually being even-handed, and to do this he needs to keep a distance. His input should be as "technical" as possible. Tony 16:14, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Music of Italy FAC

Okay, yeah, thanks. I kinda always assume the first FAC will fail just because... well, it just usually does. And lead section are always really hard to write. Tuf-Kat 22:24, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstar

I award this Barnstar to Jeffmatt for his ongoing (and excellet) work on Weapon dance and the history of music articles.--Will.i.am 21:43, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
I award this Barnstar to Jeffmatt for his ongoing (and excellet) work on Weapon dance and the history of music articles.--Will.i.am 21:43, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

I also saw that you recently went through the [sometimes rather stressful] FAC process lately and commend your courage. Good luck with everything, keep up the good work! --Will.i.am 21:43, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

I know what you mean about FAC. I got dragged along on one and, though I found it a good experience, came away feeling like "eh, maybe not for me". As for the website: WOW, what a website. I'll be in Belgium (German-speaking part) over Christmas, but the Encyclopedia of Naples makes me want to visit there instead! I also saw that you have a degree from University of Hawaii, which is of course where I sent you the barnstar from. How's that for a half circle?--Will.i.am 09:40, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

  • We DO still do Friday afternoon beer! And for maximum irony, I'm one of the organizers of TGs!--Will.i.am 22:07, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Italian diaspora

Thanks for the work on the page about the Italian diaspora. By the way, I see you are living in Naples. Are you Italian-born "Italian," or, like me, a product of the Italian diaspora? Andrew Parodi 07:18, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the response and the work on the article. Pretty silly of me to ask if you are of Italian descent while your name is Jeff Matthews. (Then again, there was the possibility that it was your mother who was of Italian descent, not your father.) Whatever the caes, thanks for filling out the article.
I've read that it's relatively rare on Wikipedia for someone to start an article as a stub and then have someone else fill it out. I've read that usually when you start a stub you have to carry it through yourself. I've experienced that many times. I'm glad it wasn't true in this case because you did a much better job than I could've done.
Thanks,
Andrew Parodi 03:52, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
My Italian ancestors, my grandfather actually, come from the Liguria region of Italy, near the Genoa region. I have heard mixed stories, one holding that my grandfather came from a place called Stella and then another that he came from a place called Sanova. I don't know if you're aware of it not, but the issue of Italian ancestry is somewhat touchy for some Italian Americans, in part because of the discrimination we endured during World War Two with the Italian American internment (another stub I started). So, it's always been a little difficult to get my family to open up about the Italian ancestry, even though it's only two generations ago.
About stubs, there's no rule about who fills them in. I've just been told that usually if I am to start a stub it is most likely me who is going to have to complete it. In other words, I've heard it said that usually people have to finish the articles they start because rarely do others chime in with their efforts. Thanks for defying this trend.
I'll take a look at your website.
Thanks,
Andrew Parodi 06:48, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for being willing to work on that page about the internment. I recently read a book called "Una Storia Segreta" which is all about the internment of Italians in the San Fransisco Bay Area, which is where I was born. I think my grandfather was caught up in this situation to a great degree because he had a complicated story. He was born in the San Francisco area, but when he was a little boy his family returned with him to Italy. Later, when he was 21, he returned to the United States in order to escape Mussolini's draft. Technically speaking, my grandfather was American (that is, a citizen of the United States), but he was raised in Italy and by the time he arrived back in the United States at age 21 he could not speak any English.

I think that my grandfather was most likely very conflicted in all of this. On one hand, he was quite literally a US citizen. But then he couldn't speak English and had been raised in Italy, so in terms of culture and upbringing he was about as Italian as you can get. I only spoke with my grandfather once, and he only saw me once. But my cousin knew him better and told me that he was "just off the boat," in other words, very Italian.

Anyway, my theory is that in my own family's situation my grandfather landed in the US at a point when issues of "Are you one of us (American) or one of the enemy (Italian)?" was very central to his life. I think that this led to my family being touchy about the topic of our Italian ancestry. In fact, the writers of Una Storia Segreta say that this happened to all Italian Americans, and that the Italian American internment basically destroyed the Italian American community. The book says that the message was sent loud and clear that Italians had better assimilate as soon as possible or risk further discrimination.

It was odd for me to discover that Italians have actually endured a type of discrimination in the US. Did you know there was a time when it was questionable as to whether Italians were "white"? [1]

Anyway, sorry to ramble, but this is an important issue for me because I think that this situation was devastating for my family, as well as the entire Italian American community. Andrew Parodi 08:01, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the comments. Yes, there is documented evidence about this. I am not sure about the specifics of it, who exactly was interned, etc., but I know that it happened. My theory is that one reason Japanese American internment has taken precedence in public consciousness is because Italians and Germans (by the way, according to what I've read there were indeed internment sites in the US for Germans as well) can more easily integrate into the society because, after all, we are of European descent. Just change that Italian last name (which has happened for many people), stop talking about Italy, stop speaking Italian, and viola, the Italian connection is erased. With Japanese Americans it's not so easy. With the Asian faces they don't blend in as easily.
Thanks for sort of volunteering to work on the articles. I think a bigger article would be great, but I think I am just too close to the topic to make that article. Thanks.
About the second and third generation issue, that's interesting. Could it be possible, then, that my grandfather would have been considered to still be Italian even though he was born in Italy? In this case, maybe even my own father is considered Italian. Actually, now that you mention it, I remember reading that someone in my father's position (both sides being Italian) could apply for Italian citizenship and would most likely have it granted to him. Interesting. Andrew Parodi 04:43, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Beneath Naples

Hey jeffmatt, that's a really great article! Did you happen to have any references for it? (Just one or two general ones would be fine). I would love to nominate it for a "Did you know" article, but those articles a) must be less than 5 days old and b) must cite a few references. If you can add one or two in the next few days we can still make it. Cheers!--Will.i.am 11:09, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Updated DYK query On November 8, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Beneath Naples, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Hope you're checking out the main page, because your article is on it. Though I noticed it has been moved to the less artistic (though perhaps more descriptive) title of Naples underground geothermal zone. Cheers!--Will.i.am 22:41, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

It's true, we geologists DO live for those kinds of things. My roommate just said she hoped we have a tsunami soon so we would have experienced earthquakes, volcanoes, and tsunamis. I told her that she was on her own, I classify that as weather, not geology.:-) --Will.i.am 07:14, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Italy

Would you like to take part to an eventual created WikiProject Italy? You could be responsible for the Neapolitan section... Let me know and good work! (reply on my talk pages so I can knowyour opinion) --Attilios 23:01, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Here is the temporary page for WikiProject Italy. Kingjeff 17:10, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Public transport

Thanks for the info about the old metro scheme. The picture is a little dark as it was fairly late in th evening. A truck had broken down, causing the jam. This was World Cup final night so it was an interseting time to be in Naples.--Grahamec 22:26, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] from Honolulu

That WAS a great article, thanks for sending it! Oddly, I just read The Time Machine last week on a whim so that was a great analogy.--Will.i.am 10:28, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I gandered, and yet another great article from you! You're rolling them out over there! Oddly enough, there is a category for Campanian volcanic arc, there just wasn't an article. I nominated it for another DYK article - you may have found a new calling.--Will.i.am 06:16, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Naples and the trombone

Certainly, I'm glad I was able to help. You play, too, eh? Splendid. I've been thinking recently that the trombone article is looking pretty good these days and might even be able to be a good article with a little work. Interested at all? Cheers, Dar-Ape 21:53, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Battle of San Pietro

I'm sure there is a page of templates somewhere but not sure where. I suggest the easiest thing to do is to copy the code from the edit page of ,say, the Battle of Monte Cassino and edit the content (syntax is pretty self explanatory). If you are nervous about this, copy to a sandbox page and when you've played around with the code it to your satisfaction, then copy it to the San Pietro page. I suggest you include the Italian Campaign box as well. Actually I've included the code for both below - as you can see, if you don't know the information, just leave a blank by the |parameter= entry and it can be picked up later:


Battle of San Pietro Infine
Part of World War II, Italian Campaign

The Liri valley with Mt. Sambùcaro overlooking the modern town of San Pietro Infine (left) and ruins of the original town (center).
Date Dec 8, 1943 – Dec 17, 1943
Location San Pietro Infine, Italy
Result Allied victory
Combatants
United States
and others		 Germany
Commanders
Albert Kesselring
Italian Campaign
Invasion of Sicily – Invasion of Italy – Armistice with Italy – Winter Line – San Pietro – Anzio – Monte Cassino – Gothic Line


By the way, this is the first substantial entry covering the fighting on the 5th Army front from the Volturno Line to the Gustav Line. Are you planning to cover any of the other engagements?

Stephen Kirrage talk - contribs 10:30, 26 December 2006 (UTC)


Working on revising the Monte Cassino box to fit San Pietro Infine. Need info on casualties, commanders, etc. In progress. Jeffmatt 16:50, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for your post on my talk page. That's the great thing about this project...you only do what you really want to do! Happy New Year to you too! Stephen Kirrage talk - contribs 22:40, 26 December 2006 (UTC)


I am adding this incomplete war box to the article and shall work on filling in accurate casualties as well as other combatants. Jeffmatt 06:58, 27 December 2006 (UTC)


[edit] {{Helpme}}

I'm trying to find the master template for the Campaignbox Italy (directly on the right). It doesn't seem to be at Template:Infobox_Military_Conflict or anywhere on the [2] list of all templates. I am probably searching wromg. Sorry. Jeffmatt 12:07, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

If you look at the Campaignbox Italy template, it is just an invocation of the Campaign template. I assume that is the one you are looking for? If that is the case, just copy what Campaignbox Italy does into a new template, specific to your current campaign, and then include that in the articles themselves. -- Sir Escher talk 12:24, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Music of Italy

I'd really like to get it re-FACed, the only major problem being the two cite needed tags at the end of the venues section. Would you happen to have a source for those? Tuf-Kat 03:07, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

OK. Working on it. Jeffmatt 10:27, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

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