Talk:Jeff Cooper (colonel)
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I like coop as much as the other guy, but was he a history professor? I think we need a source for that. I can let philosopher fly, as anyone can be. --Kvuo 02:19, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
According to his webpage he has a MA in History, however, there is no mention that he actually taught history. -- L.J.Brooks 01:46, 03 Mar 2006 (UTC)
I know two of his daughters. He taught high school in Big Bear, California in the 50s and 60s, mainly as an alternate teacher.
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[edit] Safety rules section and a few other changes and questions
I changed all Commentaries URLs to http://dvc.org.uk/jeff since that seems to be the canonical one (there are 4-5 mirrors in total).
I changed "Colt 1911" to "1911 Colt" because I'm certain the model of the year is more important than the fact that Colt is the best known historical manufacturer---and this is how Cooper refers to it. Not a minor detail since the Colt addition of a firing pin block is considered to be significant.
I added "and several other referenced books" to the entry for Paladin Press since they are pretty much the only current publisher of books by Cooper, including almost all the ones referenced in the article.
The big change was to the safety rules. The previous version was a "corrupt text": only rule three did not have a significant change (although rule four only adds a necessary phrase to the traditional version). The accompanying explanatory text seems to be from The Modern Technique of the Pistol, cut down and otherwise modified.
For now, I took the newest version I could find and bolded the rules themselves.
My question here is how much additional explanatory text should there be; one of the major virtues of Cooper's rules is that they are simple. On the other hand, more explanations from an original source would probably help.
The other questions is: the single quote used for _The Art of the Rifle_ is "Pick up a rifle and you change instantly from a subject to a citizen," and I'd like to add it to the two quotes in the article, but I don't see a good place to do that, and I'm not sure adding this quote would improve that section.
I have some issues with the Weaver Stance, which are a major point of debate between the Cooper camp and others, but I think they are best addressed in the stance's article.
Hga 10:48, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] All guns are always loaded, even when they're not
sounds more like a law of physics than of shooting. i'm oxymoronic, even when i'm not -W guice 09:28, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
- It's a "law" of attitude more than anything else, and a lot of ink has been spilled over this rule.
- Cooper's rules are oriented towards circumstances where firearms are more likely to be loaded than not, e.g. self-defense, law enforcement and combat, and the training for such at a "hot" range (which Cooper pioneered), and "came from a period when the most frequently heard [com]plaint in the wake of a Negligent Discharge was 'I didn't know the gun was loaded.'" (see link below)
- Whereas the NRA rules are oriented towards sport/target shooting (the NRA's main interest). You can find a good discussion of all this at "The Rules" page at The Gun Zone site, which is the source of the above quote.
- In any event, these are Cooper's rules per the most recent version I could find. Hga 19:47, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Proper version of saftey rules
68.165.35.18 (and any others): Please don't change Cooper's saftey rules from the version that is cited (from the most recent edition of his Commentaries that I could find with the rules), unless you can find a better version you can cite. These are Cooper's rules, not your's or mine. Hga 23:05, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
Chuckles5492: per above, please don't change Cooper's safety rules. Also, a Google search on Jeff +Cooper +"Four Commandments" turned up only 33 hits, only 3 of which referred to the rules. I take this as evidence that this usage for his four rules is very rare. And the referenced source for the rules refers to them as rules. Hga 00:17, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Korea not in SE Asia
Vietnam would be in SE Asia. Korea is not. Northeast Asia is more like it. Perhaps someone should address that. 192.240.93.54 20:45, 18 October 2006 (UTC)Ricky
[edit] Guru, qualified or not?
68.5.181.88 changed 'He was also known as "the Guru."' to 'He was also known as "the Gunner's Guru."' That didn't match my memory, so I checked Google: I found 113 hits for "the Gunner's Guru" and 896 for "the Guru" +"jeff cooper". Based on that, I reverted to "the Guru". Hga 19:34, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
His column in Guns and Ammo is subtitled "Thoughts from the Gunner's Guru" not plain Guru...so changing it back. Citing this in print rather than a google search a little more credible. This months current issue is the last one he turned in before his death with a large tribute article within. --63.163.213.245 00:55, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Most significant and enduring contributions to riflecraft?
"Riflemen regard Cooper's development of the scout rifle concept, and his subsequent work on the evolution of the Steyr-Mannlicher Scout rifle, as his most significant and enduring contributions to riflecraft." was added by Clmckelvie, and I wonder if it's too early to make such a judgement. Given that there aren't too many Scouts out there, it's entirely possible that his book The Art Of The Rifle (which is intended to preserve and carry forward the art of practical rifle shooting) will end up being his greatest contribution; an inexpensive book that applies to all rifles can reach a lot more people that a 2000+ US$ rifle. Hga 13:16, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
