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[edit] Welcome

Welcome!

Hello, JBK405, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

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[edit] Kim Possible

Great job on all the edits to the Kim Possible page! If you have any question, feel free to ask me in my talk page. Keep up the good work and have fun editing! =D Jumping cheese Contact 03:07, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Samuel L. Jackson

Thanks for contributing to the article. I have heard Jackson say those lines, but I need you to please add a reference, since it appears to be a quotation. If you find an article online, just go ahead and paste the link in my talk page and I'll take care of it. Keep up the good work and welcome again. --Nehrams2020 06:51, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Malcolm Reynolds

First, just wanted to thank you for going through the articles and getting rid of the fancruft that had accumulated-- I've been meaning to, but just haven't found the time. There's one edit though that I wanted to discuss with you. It's the change you made to Badger in the Malcolm Reynolds article -- This was changed to something that is no longer a synopsis of what was said in the commentary (which is the source listed at the end of the sentence). So either the ref should be deleted, or it needs to be reverted back. I think it should be the latter since the change was something a little more speculative/interpretive. I added the original with the ref, but it's been awhile so please correct me if in the commentary, Whedon does say Mal's arrogance was an impediment. Thanks! --plange 15:54, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

It's been a while since I've listened to the commentary on Serenity so I can't confirm if my edit matches with the commentary (Which I admit I should have done before changing the info), but I feel that my edit matches what was shown in the actual episode. Badger himself stated that he felt Mal thought he was better than other people, and he said that was why he didn't like dealing with Mal; and he once held the entire crew hostage at gunpoint. I should probably change the reference to the episode itself, not the commentary, but I think my edit still fits. JBK405 16:13, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

If so, yep, change it to the episode. How about we include both statements? --plange 16:15, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks for this. I can't believe I didn't notice that before! Well done- CattleGirl talk | e@ | review me! 01:55, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] All Things Avatar

Hey man, we have a [Wikiproject] (I can't link it correctly for some reason) for Avatar. You seem to be pretty active you should consider joining. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 01:31, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Taj Mahal/ Wan Shi Tong's Library

Why did you delete my connection between the library's arcitecture and the Taj Mahal??

-Robert 25

Don't get me wrong, I think it looks similar as well, but we need some kind of third-party source to put in such a comparison. We can't go just by our own eyes, if we did then people would go crazy with "I think this building looks like that building." We need some kind of official comparison between the two of them. JBK405 17:22, 30 November 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Fire birth right

I know i can't prove it, but in Zuko Alone, Ozai stated that Iroh had the birthright and asked it to be given to him. I'm pretty sure that when Ozai became Fire Lord, it was through some conspiracy that allowed him to become fire lord which is why it wasn't Iroh who was fire lord. Cnriaczoy42 23:44, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Ironically, Zuko Alone is the one episode that I haven't seen (Doesn't it always work out that way?), but I've managed to piece together what happened from reading both Wikipedia and other such internet sources. Unless I'm mistaken, Ozai first said that Iroh should be passed over because he had no heirs to continue the bloodline (Lu Ten had recently died), and after Azulon died it was said that it was his dying wish that Ozai be granted the throne (Although not everybody actually buys that story).

It certainly implies that preference is given to the elder child, just as it is with real nobility, but it's not an unswerveable event. The Fire Lord apparently has influence over who receives the title, since it was Azulon's "dying wish" that gave Ozai the title, and a persons history could effect the inheritence (Such as Iroh's lack of an heir and Zuko's lack of honor). I'm pretty sure that when Zuko was banished way back when he was stripped of his birthright, he's not allowed to even set foot in Fire Nation territory. JBK405 23:51, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

aggreed, but Azulon was angry at the thought of passing the birthright to Ozai. that is what makes everyone belive it was a conspiracy. that and Zuko's mom mentioning Azuong was in perfect health and her misterious disaperance. Cnriaczoy42 00:01, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Oyah, I know he didn't actually wish that Ozai get the throne, but the official story is that he did, and that's what put Ozai on top, so it shows that the reigning Fire Lord has at least some say in who's next in line, it's not an automatic first-born thing.

Besides, everybody likes Azula more than Zuko anyway, Ozai would probably just kill him and give Azula the throne if it ever came down to chosing between the two of them. JBK405 00:05, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Avatar spiritual sight

In the swamp, Aang had to use contact in order to locate Appa. He needed to physically touch the tree (the heart and basis of the swamp) in order to follow its roots to locate Appa and Momo. Likewise, Pathik had to physically touch Appa in order to follow his connection to Aang and locate him.

The ability to follow connections seems to be a Spiritual ability, given that Guru Pathik is a "spiritual expert" and Aang is the Spirit medium. As such, these should be mentioned in the "Spirit" section of Aang's page.

However, both those events are very different from what happened in "The Guru". Here, he saw Katara in danger at the same time as it was happening, with no contact or basis of connection to follow. He made the connection to her, spontaneously, on his own. Very different from following a pre-established connection using a physical starting point. While not truly telepathic it was the best word I could come up for it. I would dub it "limited spiritual sight" and reinstate it in Aang's article, as it is definitely something worth mentioning, albeit with a different wording and under the "Spirit" heading instead of "Medium" heading. Sage of Ice 02:33, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

We don't actually know that he had to use contact with the tree in order to sense where Appa was, at the time he didn't really know how the thing worked, he was just making it up as he went along (As he has so often pointed out, there's nobody around to teach him this stufs. Well...okay, nobody until the Guru shows up). This might have just been a new form of what he (And Pathik) have done before.

But I'll grant that it's worth noting and should be kept in the article, since it isn't the exact same thing. However, I still don't think it belongs in either the Spirit or Medium sections. The Spirit and Medium sections both relate specifically to his Avatar status and abilities and, though being the spiritual bridge is certainly a help when using spirit abilities, this doesn't seem to solely be "Avatar stuff" (As Sokka so termed it in the Swamp); it might not have been the same, but others have performed similar feats. Maybe a new secion relating to non-Avatar mysticism, or something along those lines. JBK405 02:45, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Different topic, same show.
Flying Bisons. In the episode "Appa's Lost Days", the Fire Nation circus owner directly refers to Appa as a "Wind Buffalo". As such, in the world of Avatar: The Last Airbender, the Flying Bison can also be called a "Wind Buffalo". They may have the official name of Flying Bison in the franchise, thus why it's the section header, but in the story universe they are also known as the "Wind Buffalo", thus why it needs to be mentioned. This makes sense, if you ask me. Like in the real world, different nations have different names for certain animals.
Also, material that is supplemental to the actual episodic series needs to be mentioned and cited. This includes the DVD, the official site, and any interviews made by websites. All this stuff is supplemental and therefore can't just be stated. Stating it implies that it was established in the actual series. So this needs to be addressed when saying what hybridizes into the Flying Bison. Sage of Ice 08:04, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

True, it has been called a Wind Buffalo, but it's also been called a Sky Bison, Air Bison, Flying Buffalo, and others. If you're going to list alternative names then all the alternative names need to be listed, and when we're nearing ten variations we just can't list them all. Only listing one of the possibilities shows a user-oriented preference, and we can't do that.

But you're also right that we need to source the DVD's, I'll mark that. JBK405 23:33, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough. I shall mark the article section so that no superfluous names are added to the Flying Bison. Sage of Ice 00:08, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

And I just added a "The creators say" bit to the Flying Bison section of the Air Nomads page. JBK405 00:12, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Hey, so why did you remove that bit about the avatar cycle in the deserter episode. Regardless of what the legend is, it seems rather clear that his ability to learn fire bending before he learned earth bending contradicts the legend. The Avatar does not need to learn in any particular order. Is that why you removed it?

It's never been stated, or even implied, that the Avatar is incapable of learning the bending arts outside of the order, just that he's not supposed to (As Jeong Jeong himself states). Not only did he learn Firebending before even starting Earthbending, but Aang began learning Earthbending before he'd actually managed to master Waterbending, too. It's not worthy of note, except in the main article synopsis where it describes what Jeong Jeong said, because it doesn't contradict any given data. JBK405 07:01, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Collaborators (Battlestar Galactica)

Howdy! I've reverted an edit you made to Collaborators (Battlestar Galactica), please see the talk page. I think I've identified the error you may have made in reading the relevant text. Regards, CHAIRBOY (☎) 15:53, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

You're right, I did misread that, sorry. Thanks for reverting it. JBK405 15:57, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Deleting new, unnecessary articles

See [1] for more. I seek your assistance in deciding the deletion of three new, unnecessary Avatar-related articles. Thank you. Y BCZ 17:56, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Firebending styles

I recently noticed that you got into the middle of an edit war with the anonymous user 71.163.66.162 on the Firebender page. Well, I have been in one with them over the Styles section (which I recently edited, please see the history for his edits). The material quoted as coming from the “Lost Scroll” is completely wrong. Please refer to my comments on the articles talk page. I have a quoted passage from a martial arts book which refutes their info. Also, when I originally posted the book comment, the anonymous user “modified” the sentence pertaining to one of the styles because I disproved what they had originally written. Yet, they still continue to say their info came from the lost scrolls. I don’t believe them and that’s why I put up the {{Verify}} tag.

I believe that the writers of the Lost scroll would have consulted a martial arts expert just like the show would a culture expert. I highly doubt a martial arts master would describe their own style incorrectly. They practice it and know what parts of the body are used. I believe this user ‘thought they recognized’ a certain martial arts move and then wrongly cited their opinion as coming from the Lost Scroll book. Read my comments on the talk page and tell me what you think.

Also, I’m going to post a message on the avatar wikiproject to see if anyone actually has this Lost Scroll book and can verify the info. Even if it does, the information is horribly incorrect and should not be used on the Firebender page. (Ghostexorcist 21:10, 31 December 2006 (UTC))

My little eidt war was, essentially, me trying to loop-hole out of keeping that information in the article. It was improperly sourced and, as such, was grounds for deletion. However, the anonymous user now has all the proper references for his notes, so I've got no rule-supported reasons to delete them. The info might be wrong, and downright incomprehensible, but, as is Wikipedias long-standing policy, Wikipedia is based around verifiability, not truth. With an official source for the info, we have no legitimate reason to continue to delete it, much to my chagrin. Right now, I'm pursuing other means of getting the info removed, namely trying to determine if The Lost Scrolls are canon or not. I'd never heard of them before yesterday, so I have no idea what their background is, or their status with relation to the rest of the Avatar universe, and right now all my eggs are in the "It doesn't really count" basket. However, if it turns out that they're creator/publisher canon, we just have to grin and bear them. Wrong or no, they'd be legit.

Of course, if it turns out that The Lost Scrolls are not canon, or that the information is not actually in them, then we can just continue to delete these edits and report to the administrators if they keep coming back. JBK405 08:24, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hathor

Hi. I'm wondering if you know a source which states that the Stargate episode "Hathor" isn't canon. Thanks. Makgraf 23:54, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't know the source. I hadn't even thought it wasn't canon (Though I didn't particularly like the episode) until I saw the article here. JBK405 20:07, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

No prob. If you ever do find a source there's a question about it on this page. Makgraf 07:36, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: "You don't delete a persons entry on a Talk page"

afaik, you can delete obvious vandalism from a talk page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Vstarre (talk • contribs) 16:01, 8 February 2007 (UTC).

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