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A person 63.161.128.157 removed the WHOLE section I made completely without any explanation. I strongly disagree with this type of action. Severin is a controversial talk radio host. I believe it is imformative to list his remarks whether or not you agree. Wikipedia is not a paper encyclopedia, and the style shoud be flexible. I would appreciate if you offer any discussion about this. -Ca5120 July 10th

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[edit] Naughty Naughty

As a talk show host that generates controversy, it is, of course, no shock that Jay Severin will... generate controversy! And his entry in Wikipedia will relate that. I see that upon having any direct negative commentary about Mr. Severin, a friendly person with a cable modem, c-24-34-156-113.hsd1.ma.comcast.net (24.34.156.113) came along and tried the "layer edit" trick with the entry to get rid of a number of negative statements about Mr. Severin's claims. Well, it doesn't work that way, Best and Brightest. Be rest assured; I was listening to Jay the day he first joined WTKK so many years ago and I have listened to him regularly ever since. Just because I do does not mean I will shirk away from his occasional over-the-line statements, and it is quite known he has puffed up his own reputation and history past what would be considered reasonable lines. You can be a Best and Brightest and still report truthfully. --Slango 01:38, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

To that level, then, do not think you're going to be able to replace a quote from the Boston Globe about his errored statements with "a lot of retractions have been printed about him in the Globe" and think it'll be a clean getaway. No, no. Please cite where these retractions are, and then we can work from there. The Boston Globe did quite a bit of research about his "Pulitzer Prize" and you can't just say "no, complete fabrication"... unless of course, you mean the prize. --Slango 13:25, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Severin Fanboys and Fangirls

Wikipedia has a few ground rules regarding how entries go in. Specifically, just dropping facts without citation means those "facts" aren't likely to stick around. Here's some statements about Severin that people who can't be bothered to create user accounts have been dropping into this entry, and which will be removed unless people cite sources:

  • Severin's comments that are some variant of "Let's kill all Muslims". Without a doubt, Severino's "trash-talk" approach has caused him to make statements that can be wildly interpreted later. Severin himself has indicated that he considers each new show a new day, or at least somewhat of a blank slate, and that the point is to generate conversation. How this ultimately gets logged into the entry is up for grabs, but just blocking stuff out you don't like doesn't work.
  • Modifications that are obviously just flamebaiting. Calling the Boston Globe the Boston "Retractor" when you can't even cite when the Boston Globe retracted something... nope, sorry. This means you, 68.160.5.17 . Go find some other electric fence to whiz on.

Keep it coming, of course... but please, take the time to register. It's quick, easy, and it's more sexy than an IP address. --Slango 01:38, 18 October 2005 (UTC)


  • My little friend 68.160.5.17 decided to add a criticism about the Severin Pulitzer controversy directly into the page instead of in this discusison page. I reprint it here for posterity: "The obvious antagonism between the Boston Globe (Retractor) and Jay Severin is manefest in this page. Can you detect where the Boston Globe -o- philes represent him by thinly veiled derogatory references. In particular, examine the controversy surrounding his academic credentials. Jay has a published biography yet, his antagonists wish to diminish what is a published and are attainable facts in the following text. It is important to see it, and read it because it makes the point that the authors wish to distort Jay's image."
THe avove link know longer works, can it be deleted? --Scranton 12 December 2005

This is fine concern, although your classification of me as a "Boston Globe -o- Phile" is a little off; I read the Herald, Globe, Phoenix, Weekly Dig and a lot of other little local rags. I also listen (listened?) to Jay quite a bit over the last 6 years, having heard his first show on WTKK and hearing his last. I also heard the Pulitzer comment, plain as day, with my own ears, so attacking that fact without references to show it and name-calling is not going to solve much of anything. I am here to stay. --Slango 00:12, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Useless photo

Image:Jayandjay.jpg

Someone keeps adding Image:Jayandjay.jpg to the article. It's clearly a photo of Severin with a woman, but some guy's head is photoshopped onto the woman's body. Please stop adding it to the article. This is pretty much vandalism. Rhobite 03:00, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

Seconded, the user is Ktmc, done it three times so far. Stupid.

Forgot to mention, the image is up for deletion here. Rhobite 20:59, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] One more important quote

How can this be left out: "Not all Muslims are terrorists, but so far, all the terrorists have been Muslim".

[edit] Wife and child(ren)

Is this verifiable? The only thing I've ever seen about this is mention on a crank's website. I've never seen anything in a published source and he's denied it on his show, saying his only "children" are his dogs. His residence in Sag Harbor is verifiable. He's never hid this on his show, though he has said that he made occasional trips to the Boston area to broadcast at WTKK. --malber 21:48, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

How about Sunday, July 17, 2005 "Page Six", NY POst, with no online link.

Also from the Boston Globe "SEVERIN: `LIVE, LOCAL,' NEW YORKER" June 5, 2001 by ALEX BEAM, available from online archives

I just added some links to sagharboronline, some article Jay Severin wrote back in 97-98 where he referes to his wife Rennee and his son Stanley... Also I added his Marriage Newspaper Headline from when he was wed back in 97' Can someone please add a quick write up, im sleepy... -peterp

Am I getting 2 personal, I am a big fan of jays, but feel guilty for finding how much his house is assessed for ;p -peterp

Just for the record, Stanley is one of his dogs. I've seen no evidence that he has children. -- Mufka (user) (talk) (contribs) 17:07, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fired from 'The Situation'?

Shouldn't we mention there is some speculation as to the reasons for his disappearance on 'the situation w/ tucker carlson'? I'm fairly certain he was fired. Linky.

I just added a sentence regarding this. All media personalities, at all times and in all places, will do anything for a regular spot on TV. The given rationale of a "long commute" seems far-fetched, and its implausibility gives weight to an alternative explanation. ---Xerxesnine

Hmmm, is tvnewser.com an appropriate citation? On second look, it appears more like a blog. This raises an interesting dilemma. What if the New York Post quotes a source stating that Jay Severin made love to a 400-pound snowman with freckles, while tvnewser.com quotes a source which says he just tripped and fell into a snowbank? Do we only mention the New York Post story and refuse to cite tvnewser.com's alternate explanation? Xerxesnine 20:29, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Excellent. that's better. Swatoa 03:23, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Severin refutes the Pulitzer Prize accusation by Boston Globe

(Transcript from Jay Severin has issues on January 17, 2006.)

Listener: (In response to Severin calling Hillary Clinton a fat lying bitch) You are a hypocrite.

Severin: How so? That’s one thing I’m not, and I am about to strip you naked on that charge. I offer you the opportunity to present a shred of the evidence that I am guilty of hypocrisy. I have been on the radio for six years, if you are able to present a shred of the evidence that I am guilty of hypocrisy, Congratulations, because you would be the first. Matt, the floor is all yours.

Listener: What about the time when you said you won the Pulitzer Prize?

Severin: I never said that I won the Pulitzer Prize. You got anything else?

Listner: You did say that.

Severin. I’ve never said it. I will SUE you. Why don’t you put that in writing, so that I can sue your ass and take your house and your car and everything you have in your pocket. I never said it….By the way, what Matt makes a reference to is the false charge by the Boston Globe that I made a claim that I won the Pulitzer Prize. I never said that ever in my life. The price I won was for the column on MSNBC. By the way, the award that Boston Glove says doesn’t exist…..If I was in a business of suing people, and if I had a time and money to sue the Boston Globe in particular, I will be a very rich man.

(* note: I am a long time listener, and as far as I know, he never said that "I won the Pulitzer Prize." But he did say, on many occasions, "I won the online equivalent of the Pulitzer prize for my column". )

You're saying Scot Lehigh of the Boston Globe got the quote wrong? Seems very unlikely. Audio of the September 9 2005 and January 17 2006 shows would go a long way to clearing this up. Rhobite 00:34, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
  • The below is from Boston Globe September 16, 2005. Whether this quote is correct is open to discussion. Accroding to Severin, they misquoated him.

But last Friday, the talkmaster positively outdid himself in setting new laurels upon his brow: He awarded himself a Pulitzer Prize. That came as part of a conversation with a caller about the declining standards he sees in journalism. Here's what Jay said: "But since journalism began, and up until the time at least that I took my master's degree at Boston University and may I add without being obnoxious, up till and including the time that I received a Pulitzer Prize for my columns for excellence in online journalism from the Columbia School of Journalism, the highest possible award for writing on the Web right up to and including that in 1998, you still had to practice journalism to be a journalist."

[edit] Illegal immigrant issue

This appears to be developing to be an edit war, so I think it appropriate that we discuss this here. Jay's rationale on this issue is the following:

  • Illegal immigrants are such because they have entered the country contrary to US immigration law.
  • Constitutional rights are reserved for US Citizens.
  • Since illegal immigrants are not US Citizens, they cannot claim rights under the US Consititution. Indeed, illegal immigrants may be deported without due process.

Jay has stated on numerous occasions that legal US immigrants who have become US citizens do have US Constitutional protection. The version "He correctly asserts that illegal immigrants have no US constitutional rights" was correct according to Severin's stated views. The only possible problem with it is the word "correctly" which might be viewed as POV. However, the argument is logically correct. -- Malber (talk • contribs) 21:15, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

  • I think that edit belonged to me. I don't listen to Severin on a regular basis (except in passing), so I assumed that the addition of "correctly" was a POV edit on behalf of the previous user (the fact that it was done anonymously was another giveaway). I think that the version that is up now is a much better way of wording it, anyways. --Toddbloom7 13:04, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
    • Understood. I revised the text after posting to talk. I was missing the point that he also applies this legal interpretation to foreign nationals who have entered the US legally, which is true as they may also be detained and deported without due process. I do agree that "correctly," while probably the right term as the legal interpretation is logically sound, is a red-flag word for possible POV and should be omitted. -- Malber (talk • contribs) 14:11, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mechanism

For the life of me, I've never been able to figure out just why Jay Severin pronounces 'mechanism' as 'me-cog-nism'. He also routinely mispronounces the names of several celebrities, such as Susan Sarandon whose last name gets emphasis on the first syllable rather than the second, and Osama bin Ladin whose last name is pronounced 'laid-in'. Given his Osama Never Been Laiden 'joke' and lack of regard for Miss Sarandon, I can understand the mispronunciation as perhaps being some sort of insult. I don't get 'mechagnism' though. It's not that I've not done any research on it, either! Neither M-W nor Dictionary.com offer a hit for 'mechagnism', nor offer anything close other than 'mechanism'. Google returns 183 hits for it and in every case I followed up on, it appears to merely be a misspelling of 'mechanism'. Is this a regional thing, like 'wicked smart' or what? Can anyone shed light? 204.69.40.7 13:54, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

It might be a Lawnguylandism. However the other mispronunciations are a deliberate attempt to traduce the subject. --Malber (talk • contribs) 14:36, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
He also pronounces "SUV" as "esh-you-vee". Anything else with S's he pronounces normally, i.e. he doesn't say "USA" as "you esh aye" Swatoa 05:47, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Notable on air stories

My gut feeling is that the "Notable on air stories" section of the article should be deleted in whole. It is convoluted and hard to slog through. But I don't know enough about Mr. Severin or his show and don't know if I should mess with it. Any thoughts? MPWard 01:25, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

I think it should be there. I was very surprised when I learned this, because Severin reported this specific incident as if he got an exclusive inside scoop and I believed him until I saw this article at wikipedia. (Severin routinely boasts that no one ever proved he said untrue story on his program.) Boston1234 March 2006 --Boston1234 00:54, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Political Beliefs Moved Over to Quoted? Political Distinction, et al

I suggest that maybe some of his political beliefs would be more suitable in the "quotes" section, because as anybody who listens to his show knows, most of the comments that he makes are very tongue-in-cheek, and he makes them to garner a reaction. No Libertarian supports holding Bombers over foreign countries threatening to drop bombs on them in case of a terrorist attack, it is an absurd, near-sarcastic "solution" to the problem of Middle Eastern countries not willing to commit to preventing Islamic terrorist organizations. If you were to ask him, "Is that your belief," he would respond that it is, but it would be a sarcastic response, more or less making fun of one's idiocy for even being compelled to ask the question.

It might also be more accurate to describe him as a 'Republitarian' or Interventionist Libertarian because it would seem as if he is in favor of many Republican interventionist policies--not the sort of strict isolationist mentality that marked Post-war(s) America.

Finally, do you think that it would be useful to paint him in contrast to other radio talk show hosts of the same political persuasion? For instance, he doesn't like to be associated with Sean Hannity, nor does he really take to being called a "great American" like Sean Hannity and his minions do. I'm not sure if that's Encyclopedia-worthy information, but like mentioning his pendantic diatribe, it is something worth noting. Mike Murray 06:35, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

This section is an unsourced laundry list. It's not appropriate for a biography article per WP:BLP. It also violates WP:NOT. I'm considering removing it unless there are any other objections or if someone can find a way to clean it up. -- Malber (talk • contribs) 19:39, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Married or not

I was going to post [1] this reference that suggested that he was divorced but 24.91.58.11's reference to [2] shed some new light on it. I looked up the purchase of his home in northeastern MA in Oct 2006 and found his wife's name of some of the property. I guess that ends the mystery. -- Mufka (user) (talk) (contribs) 17:07, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Myspace page?

Is this a joke? It seems like some guy impersonating him for kicks. --Xerxesnine

[edit] Timeline

I began to write up the following, but I haven't decided how/if to fit it in:

Severin was with WTKK from late 2000 until 16 September 2005, when Infinity Broadcasting (now CBS Radio) announced that Severin had signed a deal to host a new syndicated radio program beginning January 2006,[1] after which WTKK immediately pulled Severin off the air.[2] On 26 September 2006 it was announced that Severin would be leaving his syndication deal with CBS Radio and returning to WTKK.[3] --xerxesnine

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