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Wouldn't it be best if the albums were made into their own articles? Since there's already so much text there, there's no reason not to do so. Any rejections?

The only problem being that that leaves us with several album articles quite longer than their band's article. Sirnickdon 06:24, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

I was thinking the same. I'll try to work on it now, as well as expand the band history with a little more early history. Thief12 01:24, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Contents 1 Unmistakeable Jars of Clay 2 Added new Info 3 Band and New Album Update 4 POV & Weasel Words 5 Adrian Belew's role

[edit] Unmistakeable Jars of Clay

This section appears to be not NPOV by wiki standards. Some of it is factual, but other parts of it seems like just opinion. Want to rewrite, anyone??

Edit: I've tried to rewrite, and I rennamed the section to something more neutral, however I'm not sure if it should be kept.Decafpenguin 05:54, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Added new Info

I was surprised that this article made no mention of Blood:Water Mission or the band's multiple Grammy wins. This info has since been added, along with an early history section and some other minor additions.

Im sure "flood" was on the US top 100 singles. can anyone check that out?.

Ive added "Album Charts & RIAA Certifications" & "Single Charts" sections Dan, the CowMan 06:37, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

They only used programmed drum loops on their first album. They used actual drums and bass since Much Afraid, not since The Eleventh Hour. For this same reason, using the "programmed drum loops" label in the introduction is misleading (given that only one album of six studio albums uses them).EscapingZoo 06:07, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Band and New Album Update

Jars has a new touring drummer named Jeremy Lutito, and their new touring bass player is Gabe Rushavul. Also on the Jarchives message board, Dan Haseltine has reported a September 5, 2006 release date for "Good Monsters". He said it will contain 12 songs.

[edit] POV & Weasel Words

I'm wondering if the section "Jars' Belief" should be tagged for POV and/or weasel words. Especially troubling is

• Though this hasn't spared them the backlash from some Christian groups, they have stood firm.
  • backlash is POV, especially considering that it is undocumented.
  • some Christians weasel words
  • stood firmPOV
• The Jars of Clay are also considered role-models by many Christians for their morality, which does not line up with the "rock star" stereotype.
  • considered...many Christians Weasel words
  • "rock star" stereotype, POV
• Their music lacks moralizing tones and focuses on the Biblical theme of redemption.

I'm hesitating tagging it as POV or Weasel words, but this section should be cleaned up or deleted. SonPraises 04:01, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

I've made some fairly significant changes, incorporating some of the recommendations above, and cleaning up some additional problematic content.

• The headings were written like a press release, and some of the sections consisted of a single short paragrasph, so I merged them and rewrote some of the headings to be a little more encyclopedic.
• I pulled some quotes from their NPR interview to completely rewrite the "Beliefs" sections. I believe it's much more neutrally-worded now, with no OR.
• The entire "Musical progression" read like an essay summary or press release, so I merged the magazine quote and deleted the rest.
• I also removed the filmography notes for two former members. I know they don't have their own articles, but the article on the band is not the place to detail the brief film careers of former occasional members (unless the films are particularly relevant to the band).
• The album chart table wasn't worth the space, considering the repeated content (see the HTML comment I added). I feel that both chart position tables should probably be merged into the respective discography sections. They don't add much on their own.

Comment welcome. --Fru1tbat 02:50, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Adrian Belew's role

Belew only produced two songs on the debut, not the whole album. This is verifiable from that record's liner notes and should probably be made clearer. I'm not that involved with wikipedia so I thought I'd leave this to someone who is.

Belew was the executive producer Thenext 01:05, 9 January 2007 (UTC)