Talk:Jarral

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Some staight forward materials are now provided which hopfully will not violate anything.

Kind regards

--Raja 21:31, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikified and tidy up completed

Have done the above and also added some extra info re this tribe. Have removed the wikify and clean up tags. Article completely improved.--Raja 09:13, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Tonne of crap here. Ghori's battle with jarral tough and rest easy. Janjua Pal, who the hell is he and when did he rule hastinapur? A captive converts to Islam and converts his entire family!! Are you even serious on what you write. I am going to erase this unless you convince me otherwise.

+10 000 thundering typhoons 09:28, 26 February 2006 (UTC)+

Strange. What is being questioned here? that they converted as one of the earliest Rajas to Islam? What evidence do you have to refute this? Saheb Shen was not a captive at all. He brought to the court at Ghori's insistance to meet him. He accpted Islam and his family (immediate Royal family) became Muslim with him. This has occurred many times in many clans. The rest of the tribe converted over the years. They have family records confirming this conversion, what reason do you have to refute this other than your childish xenaphobic extremist propoganda? Evidence please, not childish abuse. Be adult and genuine this time, whoever you are. After being banned you've taken another name and are now hassling this page. If you would like to meet in person with a family record keeper this can be arranged Im sure, if you can come that is,lol.--Raja 18:57, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Desist from personal attacks. Remember WP:NPA. Cite references for claims you have made.

+10 000 thundering typhoons 07:38, 6 March 2006 (UTC)+

Repeat, what is being questioned here? Their conversion to Islam? Please cite sources to the contrary. Can you? There were no personal attacks, it was a genuine offer to introduce you to the family record keeper of the Jarral Rajputs. You've obviously come from the Rajput arbcom ban under a different name now. In that case you should be the one desisting from vandalism and POV pushing.--Raja 22:37, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Onus is on you to cite. No I have not come from any ban. Stop talking non-sense.

+10 000 thundering typhoons 07:10, 7 March 2006 (UTC)+

Now now, no personl attacks please :) And you are wrong, you have objected to the reference of conversion, therefore, what is the basis for your objection? And it's funny how you appeared suddenly since the the bans on Rajput arbcom...--Raja 21:31, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

You need to provide page numbers from these references. Janjua Pal's link with Janmaejaya needs to be shown. Nanak Sena's story needs to come with page numbers from a reputable source. Janjua Pal's dates of existence is required. Story of covnersion has to come with cross checkable page numbers.

+10 000 thundering typhoons 07:58, 8 March 2006 (UTC)+

Hmm. You clearly are a troll my dear. Go back to the Rajput page as you clearly are inept at contributing here. When you reach adulthood perhaps you may understand what you are doing.--Raja 18:56, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gilgit

I am unaware of any major role played by non-Gilgiti or Chitrali officers in the Gilgit revolt. I am certain that the two gentlemen mentioned were in the Kashmir State forces, and may have taken part in the revolt, but they did not paly instrumental roles.

Considering one of them arrested the Governor Brigadier Ghansara Singh I'd call that a significant role. Certainly no officer of insignificance can claim such a feat> Col Hassan Khan was a decorated soldier of his time. YOu certainly need to do some research on this affair with the defence journals Fred, --Raja 09:05, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Even if the particular officers palyed a role, no large group of Muslim Rajputs from the lower hills contributed towards the liberation of Gilgit. It was an entirely Dardic revolt by the Dardic peoples of Gilgit and Chitral.

Now if you actually read the paragraph, it stated a small group, amongst MANY groups. The revolt comprised of many tribes, and the such is clearly mentioned.--Raja 09:05, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

This account is highly biased and historically inaccurate.

Well your points above have been clarified as not well read, can you offer contrary evidence? Seeing as references have been shown on the page, below --Raja 09:05, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Please do some more research and later update the page.

I'd heartily recommend you to do the same seeing as this page is completely sourced ;-) --Raja 09:05, 6 June 2006 (UTC)