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[edit] Sign Your Comments

To all editors: I noticed that a lot of people haven't been signing their comments. To sign your comments, type in ~~~~ at the end. Thank You. Sasuke-kun27 19:58, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Is he really stronger?

From what I can tell Super Janemba never really showed himself to be stronger than Goku, but it was the tricks he had up his sleeve, such as teleportation, the sword and being able to predict Goku's attacks are what gave him the edge.Gorast 05:40, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

maybe.

[edit] Janemba's Weakness

I think you guys should also talk about how Janemba desintegrates whenever someone curses him. Like at the time when Paikuhan swears at him.

Yeah I also think such fact should be mentioned, although there does not seem to be an explaination on whay that happens.

Good point but there are a lot of things in the Dragonball World that don't have a clear scientific explanation.

I dont remember Paikuhan swearing at Janemba. If I remember correctly, he says, "You stinkin' piece of filth!" or something among those lines. It doesn't really matter, but if you're going to add what you guys said before, it shouldn't say he was swearing. --Sasuke-kun27 00:27, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

speaing of which, how DOES he disintegrate? i mean, does he turn into crystal and break apart? or just turn into dust? i read it on the article but dont understand it.

[edit] what's wrong w/ you people

Janemba was stronger. If Goku were stronger than Janemba, then there wouldn't have been any reason for him to fuse w/ Vegeta. If Janemba's teleportation was that much of a problem, then Goku wouldn't have been able to beat him in his first incarnation. Why are people constantly trying to make it seem as if Goku is always the strongest when occasionally there are people that are stronger than he is.

i agree! kakarot would have beat him if he wast strong enough!

[edit] Could Janemba be stronger than Buu?

If we counted the movies as part of the series' time line, could it be possible that Janemba be stronger than Buu?

[edit] Janemba anagram

"Janemba is almost an anagram of Majin Buu" What kind of fancruft bullfeces is this? That's not encyclopediac in any way at all! The S 02:18, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, for startes, you should learn to read. Illiteracy is something I hate. If you could read, you would have seen that in "Majin Buu" and in "Janemba", there is a J, an A, an M, an N, and a B. The last two vowels are a bit different. In the word Janemba, re-arrane the letters, and you will get something like Majen Ba. Go to a special teacher and learn to read, and then you will see that the only bullfeces are what come out of your mouth when you speak about something that you don't know shit. Jienum
WP:NPA please, especially in a case where you're mistaken, Jienum. While it's not out of the ordinary for Toei (or Akira Toriyama) to use Engrish when brainstormin' (ex: Tullece and others), they did *not* make up an English anagram for a villain only named in Japanese. His name's actually a pun like all Dragon Ball folk, broken down, the kanji for it reads "evil thoughts given form". Papacha 03:20, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
I never said it was an anagram. I said it was almost an anagram of Majin Buu. There's a difference. But Ok. I won't add it again. the S

[edit] Trivia Section

Since just about every other Dragonball character has a trivia section, shouldn't one be added for Janemba? He may have a short movie role, but that didn't stop them from making, say, a trivia section for Tapion. --Sasuke-kun27 00:33, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Trivia sections are usually not considered good when judging Wikipedia articles, if it can be added in the main article or as a note or reference, it should. I added a clean-up tag to the page, replaced the box pic with his "pre-transformation" form (though the "demon" one could do too, the article needed more space between the host and Janemba transformed), and removed a pic that was mostly decorative. Voice of Treason 16:55, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
There isn't much about Janemba that would belong in a trivia section. Making one would be too hard, or too short. KojiDude (talk) 17:10, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Soul Punisher

Why isn't Soul Punisher listed on List of Dragon Ball special abilities? Niether is Paikuhan's Thunder Flash & Hyper Tornado, Big Bang Kamehameha, S.S. Deadly Bomber, or Super Ghost Kamakazie Attack and Galatic Donuts and...The list is endless... Point is, I'd like to know why so many Special Abilities are missing from the Special Abilities section. KojiDude (talk) 17:37, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

They can be added on, and you can start on them if you like. There's so many as you say the list is always in progress. "Big Bang Kamehameha" would belong on Kamehameha (Dragon Ball) if you want to elaborate on the different forms of the attack. Voice of Treason 17:50, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
I would, but I don't know the original Japanese names for the attacks. I can translate the english name to Japanese, but I don't know the original names (Let me know if you don't understand what I mean, I'll re-word it or something). KojiDude (talk) 18:12, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
I know what you mean, but don't worry about it and just add them on. The attack guide is always updated and reworded into the most appropriate way to be listed by those who watch/edit it. Voice of Treason 18:22, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Page

  1. Table needs to show his base form.
  2. Article doesn't need 4 pictures
  3. ...Pretty ridiculous picture of Janemba in my opinion. KojiDude (talk) 20:48, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
Well, you have improved it quite a bit. I think we should leave like this. Jienum 11:58, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Too many pictures. Okay, here's what is making me exceptionally angry. The following characters do not need 5 pictures on their pages: Janemba, Hirudegarn, Tapion, etc. These guys are only in one movie each and not even the entire movie. Characters appearing throughout the series and in more than 5 episodes deserve 5 or more pics, not people in one movie who appear in a max amount of around 40 minutes or less. Janemba is a prime example of this. We can show his two forms, one on the top, and the fat Janempa on the bottom. We can show his host as well, tank boy. That's three pics. But we seriously DO NOT need "Janemba, when angry"...or "Janemba, ready to attack" and other stuff like that. He's only in one movie. If he appeared in some game shot, that would be different. But to add unnecessary photos of the character when he is visible in the same form is unnecessary and nothing but. I agree with KojiDude about this and Hirudegarn and Janemba both need only 3 pics on the pages at the most. - Zarbon

[edit] Merger

No need to keep the article. It's just a plot summary of a character that's not notable beyond one movie. Agree or disagree? Nemu 20:32, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Have you actually read the article? There's no reason to merge it. It's perfectly fine.--KojiDude (Contributions) 21:09, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
Yes, I did. I see a bloated plot summary that would be lowered to two paragraphs if the page is kept. I see a forms section that reiterates a lot of the info from the plot summary. It would be much better to take the two good paragraphs of info, put them on the list, and link to the plot summary on the movie page. Nemu 21:14, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
It doesn't just "reiterate" the information. This is a perfecttly good article, and you've nominated it without actually reading through everything. Another thing that comes to mind is WP:POINT. He has a section that dexcribes the events of the Movie, a section that describes his personality and transformations, a section that describes his video game appearences, and a section about his merchendise. Hmmm.... Yeah, we could definitly summarize all that into two paragraphs.--KojiDude (Contributions) 21:37, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
It does repeat the information. Both sections mention both the roles and outcomes of the forms. It's pointless. The section describes way too much info. It just needs a "He was in this movie..., His main role was this..., *insert a couple of important points*, he was eventually killed by...” That would be one, maybe two paragraphs, not eight. The forms section could easily be compressed into one paragraph by removing the story telling and opinionated info. The game and merchandise are extras sections that don't need to be mentioned if the character doesn't have a page. Nemu 21:49, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
The reason he has a page is because he has the information. On Wikipedia, the goal is (as Jimbo Wales says himself) to gather the sum of all human knowledge. If you think that we should literally remove all the "extra info" on this page because you decided it doesn't matter, go right ahead. I'll laugh when you get a {{blank2}} on your talk page. (Probably from me, seeing as how hardly anyone notices Dragon Ball articles when they patrol RC).--KojiDude (Contributions) 21:56, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
Knowledge doesn't include fluff. You wouldn't write an article about a famous person and include every action they have ever made. From a WP:WAF, "summary of the plot or elements of character and exposition, treated briefly, and clearly defined as fictional." This isn't brief, it's bloated. Nemu 22:01, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
This isn't every action he ever made. What you're talkign abotu would go soemthing like "The tank boy listened to music infront of a bunch of tanks and they exploded and some smoke came out and the smoke was purple and the smoke covered him and he cried and he got turned into a mutant and he turned into Janempa. His boss ran away...".--KojiDude (Contributions) 22:04, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

It's a summed up version of every action he's ever made(not as bad as the play-by-play fights on some pages, but still bad). He was only in the movie. The whole section is a summary of the movie. It lists the whole versions of the fights instead of something like(worded better): "He fought Goku until Goku overpowered him, causing him to transform. Janemba easily beat Goku and Vegeta who had suddenly appeared. They were forced to fuse to beat him." Reworded, that would be much better than what's there. Nemu 22:12, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

First you ask for a summary, then you say it is a summary. Then you give me about a sentence of information that you think would be sufficient in place of the article. The 10 paragraph article that people have worked hard to build, and reached a consenseus a few months ago that it was in perfect condition, summed up into one little pointless sentence all because you don't like it. WOW.--KojiDude (Contributions) 22:29, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
You know what I mean when I say that. You're just trying to act smug. You see those paragraphs that are summarizing a full movie? Those can easily go on the movie's article, either being merged with it or replacing it. Perfect? Do you think Goku's history section is perfect. That's just as bloated as this. I like the summary, but it's suited for the movie's page. Go take a look at any pages about a character from a movie or book and you won't see a full summary of it. Nemu 22:37, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
I'm not acting "smug", I'm telling you that the article is in fine condition, and that it was agreed upon by the editors of this article a few months ago, and that it has plenty of information, but no matter what I say, your response is always "It's just a plot summary 9.6".--KojiDude (Contributions) 22:41, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
I'm talking about your summary comment, not in general. The problem is that it is a plot summary. Go look at a preview after removing some of the really specific stuff, taking the stuff like how Janemba fought Veku and Gogeta in the forms section, and ignore below the forms section. What do you see? A smaller page that has a plot summary that's still too big for a character with his role. Again, I ask you to compare it with a major character that was around for hundreds of episodes and other movie and book characters. Nemu 23:00, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
I personally agree with TTN aka Nemu on this one. Janemba is not anywhere near as important as any episodic characters. For one, he appears in the Janemba form for only 20 minutes of the movie and he's only in one movie to boot. I agree with Nemu that this article should be merged now that Tapion and Hirudegarn have also been merged. - Zarbon
I oppose this merger. Jamemba has enough information on his page for a main article, hence, he has no reason to lose it. ----Power level(Dragon Ball) 18:59, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

I support the merge.--SUIT 03:04, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

I oppose the merge. Also, a comment to Zarbon, the article isnt on his 2nd form only. The article is on the character Janemba, which is the name for both forms for 9 years and was known as such even in America until this past March when FUNimation saw fit invent a slightly different name for the first form. Onikage725

Why though? Do you see any merit in the page or is it just to have it for no real reason? If this is kept for some reason, this page is going to be cut way down(to about 1/4). The sections are very bloated, filled with useless information, filled with repeated information and in general suck. After a clean up, there'll be enough to fill a few paragraphs. I'll merge any good info from the plot summary to the Fusion Reborn page, and then the rest of the good info will be placed on the list. That work? If nobody replies for a while, I'll just do it, and then if people really don't like the outcome, we can work it out. Nemu 16:44, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
Well if you're goal is to guage consensus, I don't think you, Zarbon and Suit for and Koji, Power, and myself against = issue decided. I agree the article is bloated, but I don't think it needs to be flat out deleted. Onikage725
Go to edit the article. Delete half of the opening, three quarters of the story, half or more of the forms, half of the video games and fully delete the last one. Take a look at the preview. That's basically the size of it after a clean up. That's still not deleting all of the useless info. Is that something really worth keeping? And consensus really only goes so far. At a point, policies override it. Nemu 16:04, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
Hey, it could probably work fine on the list. I just want to make sure we don't mix up policies with guidelines. Quick example. A number of us on another article tried to rename said article to match the consensus on that articles talk page and related articles. A small number of editors, including two admins, basically slammed us and protected the page because we couldnt get 100% majority. That was for a rename. Deleting an article when there's still debate seems more extreme. Thats all I mean. Onikage725 13:38, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
I still agree with Nemu and Suit on this merger. Most of the article is just a description on very inconsequential things, such as the tank boy dancing, etc. A lot of it is simply a glorification of the character whereas it still doesn't have enough actual description of the most important factor, storyline. It's fine that people like the character in the total 33 minutes he's in (with all forms), but his entire storyline is not nearly enough to obtain a page...it's just too short of a lifespan, moreso lesser than Hildegarn and Tapion in both circumstances. This is why I feel that Nemu and Suit are both correct and this article should be merged, if for no other reason. - Zarbon

I'm against the merging. It's good the way it is. Hell Pyro 22:34, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

I must say I'm aganist it, Jamemba is not an alien merguing him with that page seems pointless, now a page listing DBZ demons can be done it can include Dabura, Majin Buu, Babidi and all other demons in DB and they are quite a few.-User:Dark Dragon Flame 21:41, 16 December 2006

That page needs to be renamed anyways seeing as it includes non-aliens. Nemu 22:16, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Okay, seeing as I would probably be reverted if I merged it, I cut the page down somewhat. Do any of the opposers think it should still be kept? Nemu 22:16, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

To be honest, yeah I think it is alright. Noone said an article has to be Buu-length to be good. Quality, not quantity. Onikage725 17:26, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
As I've already said above, no need to merge it as of yet. Unless a new consensus is reached, then I might change my opinion. Power level (Dragon Ball) 01:00, 24 February 2007 (UTC)