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[edit] Santa Barbara

I think you might need to look at the Wikipedia:Neutral point of view guidelines. While Santa Barbara was a memorable show, judgment is not really good for an encyclopedia article. Mike H 01:51, Dec 18, 2004 (UTC)

Well thank you for your comment, but I wasn't even really a big fan of Santa Barbara. The items I put in the article were actual events in the show's history or reactions from most of the fans. If you don't believe me, you can go ask any of the fans how they felt about the last scene of the series. --JamesB3 12:16, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)

That is true. Believe me, I know. I've watched soaps for over twelve years. However, one fan may not think the same way as other fans do. It's really treading water citing "fans" because not all of them think the same way. I recently got into a bit of an argument...well, I don't think it was an argument, because no one was angry...about whether the '91 to '95 stint of Michael Malone at OLTL was a "renaissance" or not. A lot of fans thought so, but it doesn't make it fact if other people can disagree with it. Anyway, the whole point of that is to differentiate between what can be misconstrued as opinion rather than fact. I'm not trying to be mean or anything like that, I'm just saying what the guidelines are for factual reporting. It's usually best to avoid "fans" as sources in articles anyway, unless it's reported in, say, Soap Opera Digest (like most of the stuff in the article for Jill Phelps). Mike H 02:28, Dec 19, 2004 (UTC)

Don't mention OLTL to me, LOL, I spent 3 hours writing a lengthy history and update of OLTL that disappeared as soon as I hit the wrong key. But as for Malone, I think that it's safe to consider that era a "renaissance" because the show won more major awards than they had in over a decade, and a majority of fans do consider many of the characters of that era special. Just compare the Malone characters and their current status on the show (he created Nora, Todd, Blair, Kelly, etc.) and the people created during the wretched Jill Farren Phelps era or the Gary Tomlin era. Now his last return was a disaster, and I will note that if I ever have the guts to do another update, but I think that (although I'm not really a huge OLTL fan -- my soaps of choice were usually ATWT, GL, AW) it's not inaccurate to say many fans consider the early 90's OLTL a renaissance.

I do think sometimes I go too far in talking about fan reactions, but that's the problem with daytime. There is so little press coverage or natinal debate that really all we can go on to gauge shifts in a series is viewer opinion. For instance, there's no doubt that even if a few dozen fans will tell you they hated Maureen Bauer, that most people consider her death the beginning of the end for Guiding Light. Anyway, I appreciate your advice and I will try to explain the positions a bit better. I'm glad someone else on here is interested in the soaps, because at times I think I'm alone. --JamesB3 12:36, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)

When I first got here in June, there was absolutely NOTHING (or next to nothing) on soaps. The article on Another World was a pithy little stub. I wrote that one up and nominated that for Featured Articles within five days (it failed, due to the fact that some of the pictures, although they could be used as "publicity", were taken out of fan magazines, which is shaky use). I don't know what to replace them with, so I've kept them there. Two pictures I did replace with fair-use screencaptures, which are allowed. Anyway, see Category:Soap opera actors? I created that one, and filled it up with lots of the articles I wrote. There are over 350 articles in that category right now. I wrote up Coronation Street and nominated it for Featured Articles, and got it on the front page. There are a few other soap contributors that you might want to know about. Juppiter and Sterntreiber help me out on at least a weekly basis, if not daily. RickK and Lucky 6.9 also help where they can, although their expertise is limited to ABC shows (if I'm not mistaken, Rick really liked AMC and RH and Ralph's wife watched AMC for, like, 30 years). Mike H 17:43, Dec 19, 2004 (UTC)

I wasn't trying to say that no one else here cares about soaps. I guess since I can't post photos (my computer's too shabby) and only found the place a month or two ago I haven't gotten into finding all the people and their various favorite soaps. I tend to focus more on the individual decisions that led each show to rise or fall, and on trivia and other tidbits, whereas I know others may prefer just to write a basic history. That's why I wind up overrelying on the "some say" or "fan reaction". I do thank you for all the work you and others have done and for the expertise you have in navigating this site. Hopefully I won't clutter the place up and I can add some sort of unique contribution. --JamesB3 19:59, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)

You're doing a good job, too. I find all of your edits to be quite agreeable. Mike H 22:51, Dec 19, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Noughties

Is that a word? I haven't ever heard it before. I guess it's better than calling it the "zeroes", like I do. Mike H 23:26, Dec 20, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Soap history

Juppiter listed History of As the World Turns (1956-1959) on VFD. Please vote. Mike H 01:55, Dec 21, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Heather Wilson edits

I'm actually not debating the factual content of the article - the material you added DID happen, and it's factually accurate, to the best of my knowledge. It's the manner in which it was written which I took issue with (and which I wanted to draw other contributor's attention to in order to balance my own POV). "no less than Howard Stern" for example, makes a qualitative judgement about Stern which may or may not be out of place in the context of the article. I didn't intend "POV" to be a pejorative term or to suggest that you were intentionally contributing in a POV manner. We each have a POV, and it's through the multiple editing process that the best articles come out. I left the article in a manner in which I feel comfortable, but wanted to draw attention (yours and other contributors) in order to improve the article in any way possible. If you've got a specific question about one of the edits I made to the language, by all means let me know. Thank you for adding the more recent material for Wilson - it does make the article more than the bio-stub it was before. Let me know if you have a question on anything, and thanks for the message about my edits. I always like working with other wikipedians on articles. Cheers. --ABQCat 04:37, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Thank you for explaining. I see "POV" used as a reason for editing so often, and sometimes bandied about like a four-letter word, so I wasn't sure what your intent was when you mentioned the POV. I understand now, and I apologize if the entry was too hyperbolic. --JamesB3 05:58, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Soap template

I saw that the soap opera template was removed from the Love is a Many Splendored Thing article without an explanation. Can you explain why? Mike H 21:31, Dec 27, 2004 (UTC)

Do you mean the double parenthesesAmericanSoapsdoubleparentheses thing?

I removed that because for whatever reason, around the time I was editing the page, the template was displayed on the main "Love" page in a sloppy/erronous fashion, crowding the entire page, causing paragraphs to be out of whack and bleed into each other, and making the article difficult to read. Maybe that was just something wrong with the site for a few days, a bug, I don't know. I'll put it back. I'm sorry, I forgot I removed it. --JamesB3 02:35, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)

You don't have to, actually. I removed all the canceled soaps from the template, and I will remove the template from the canceled soaps' articles today or tomorrow. Mike H 16:53, Dec 28, 2004 (UTC)

OK. If I may ask -- why were you curious as to who had deleted the template, if you were going to delete it? --JamesB3 19:34, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I wasn't planning on it before I asked you about it. I figured, afterwards, why inquire if the template's really too long as it is? Mike H 23:12, Dec 28, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Blocking

hi. I didn't block you, but the IP adress of an anonymous user vandalizing Wikipedia. It seems you shared the same IP adress (are you using AOL?). Let me (or another admin) know which IP adress is blocked, and I will unblock it. Sorry very much for the inconvenience -- Chris 73 Talk 11:35, Jan 2, 2005 (UTC)

Here's the IP

152.163.101.11

--JamesB3 05:41, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Edit summary

Hello. Please provide an edit summary. Thanks and happy edits. Hyacinth 02:10, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)

[edit] article on Larry Kramer

I was looking at something that I belive that you recently added (excuse me if I have the wrong person).

I happened to be at Kramer's address to the community (I'm a friend of his nephew) and I don't think that I heard him say: "...AIDS was created as part of a long-range plan by the government...". I was thinking that changing "created" to "used" would better capture his point, but I wanted to first see if you have a different recollection.

Best regards, Morris 17:57, Feb 16, 2005 (UTC)

I changed the wording to "exploited". --JamesB3 22:17, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I concur that "exploited" reflects the meaning of what Kramer said. Morris 02:41, Feb 20, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Soap article policy proposal

Since you edit soap articles, I figure you might be interested in the policy proposal I've brought up on the talk page for the Soap WikiProject. If you haven't done so yet, be sure to sign your name on the regular page, noting that you support the work in such a project. Mike H 07:48, Mar 9, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Ad

I think I had the most problem with "Monday - Friday." We aren't supposed to be promoting when to watch programming on SoapNet through any article, not even SOAPnet. I wouldn't have a problem saying something like "Anne Heche's portrayal of Vicky and Marley is currently being rerun on SOAPnet", but nothing really more in-depth than that (for example, the AW article already says the episodes are on 1989). Mike H 15:47, Jun 19, 2005 (UTC)

I put Monday-Friday because Anne is pretty much on every episode - she worked constantly in the 4 years she was on the show. But I can see how it may come across as being spammy. I will put the new version without the Monday-Friday tag. --JamesB3 16:03, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Articles on Gavin Lambert and Nick Adams

Hi James, I saw you adding some useful information to my new article on Gavin Lambert. May I ask you to have a look at the Nick Adams page, too? There is an edit war going on, not only on the Lambert page, but also on some other pages. For instance, I have included two additional passages in the article on Nick Adams, but User:Wyss and his alter ego User:Ted Wilkes have repeatedly deleted this text. It's the same strategy as in the Lambert article to suppress the assertions that some Hollywood stars may have been gay. Interestingly, both users seem to take turns in doing repeated reverts in order to delete what I have written, presumably to escape violation of the three revert rule. See Nick Adams, history. To my mind, both users are identical. They seem to use different IP addresses, which is possible, as in the past, User:DW, another of the many aliases of Wyss and Ted Wilkes, had repeatedly been banned. Significantly, a user has written on the User:Elliot page (one of the aliases of DW):

Isn't it amazing how much Elliot's contributions mirror DW's and Ron Davis's. Same refusal to answer questions. Same insistence that he is always right. Same vicious rudeness to anyone who dares to question his judgment. Maybe we could call them the Blessed Trinity, or maybe 'The Popes', given they seem to believe in their own infallibility.

This sounds as if it has been written against users Wyss and Ted Wilkes. See also the history of the User:Ted Wilkes page. Erroneously, Wyss has also contributed to that page. See [1]

Be that as it may, I have added these two passages to the Nick Adams page:

1. At about the same time Adams was also a close friend to Elvis Presley. This is confirmed by Red West, member of the 'Memphis Mafia' (pals and employees of Elvis), and Judy Spreckels, the platonic girlfriend of Elvis in the early days of the singer's career.
What is wrong with this passage? It should be added that there are photographs showing Elvis together with Adams. So it is quite clear that Adams and Elvis had been close friends at that time. See [2] and [3] Their friendship must be mentioned in the article. It is part of Adams's biography.
2. According to several sources, Adams had homosexual leanings. In his 2004 biography Natalie Wood: A Life, Gavin Lambert writes, "Her first studio-arranged date with a gay or bisexual actor had been with Nick Adams..." In 1972, Sal Mineo stated that Adams told him that he had a big affair with James Dean. The book Elvis: The Hollywood Years (David Bret, 2002) even claims Elvis Presley was intimate with Adams. That the singer had an affair with Adams is also confirmed by Elvis's stepmother, Dee Presley. However there are no court records, contemporary letters or statements attributed to Adams to support the rumours that Adams was homosexual.
It is quite clear that the reputed biographer Lambert, who also worked for many years as a Hollywood screenwriter, was a lifelong friend of Wood's. He was deeply involved in Hollywood's gay scene and must have known that Adams had homosexual leanings. It is also a fact that gay actor Sal Mineo was in close contact with both Adams and Dean. It should also be noted that in the Hollywood world Adams is more widely known for his contacts and affairs with other well-known stars than his acting career. So his affairs with James Dean and Elvis Presley are of much importance and should be mentioned in the article, but user Wyss/Ted Wilkes frequently deletes such additions to the Nick Adams article.
In my opinion, the last sentence, written by Wyss, is not necessary as many Hollywood homosexuals did not "out" themselves, but I am willing to make this concession to user Wyss. I have only cited what is written in independent books and articles (see Talk:Nick Adams). I think this is in line with the Wikipedia guidelines, as administrator User:Ed Poor said:
unless an assertion is utterly uncontroversial, it's going to need some back-up. Especially, if one of more contributors challenge the assertion. Then, it's better to move the disputed passage to the article's associated talk page.
A good way to deal with disputed ideas is to attribute an assertion to a source. Like:
Nick Adams says James Dean screwed Natalie Wood while Elvis watched (note: this is a made-up example); or,
Nick Adams says Elvis Presley paid X to cover up his homosexual affairs with Y and Z (another made-up example)
Note the common theme here. Wikipedia is not saying Adams [in the made-up example] is right, it's merely passing along his claims clearly attributed to him.

I think I have accurately cited my sources. In addition, gay biographer David Ehrenstein, who has written a book on Hollywood gays, sent me an email in which he confirmed the assertion that Adams was gay (see Talk:Nick Adams). As an expert, he must have used several sources which prove that Adams had homosexual leanings. I am the person involved in this edit war who frequently cites different sources which all prove that Adams was gay, and Wyss/Ted Wilkes is the person who is constantly disparaging these sources - in lack of further evidence supporting his view. Indeed, user Wyss is unable to cite any sources which undoubtedly prove that Adams was heterosexual. I don't know what else I can do. May I ask for help? 80.141.183.104 00:26, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Primary candidates VFD

Many of the candidates for the June 14, 2005, congressional primary have been proposed for deletion. I am writing those who worked on election articles to request that they offer their votes against the proposal. The VFD's can be found starting at Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion/Log/2005_August_8#Peter_Fossett. It is my view that we ought to provide a complete record of the election and my deleting so called "minor" candidates we do a disservice to them and the historical record. Please vote against all these proposals.PedanticallySpeaking 14:54, August 9, 2005 (UTC)

I see PS has already pointed them out to you, but for the sake of fairness and consistency I'd like to point out to you two other VfDs that you seem to have missed at Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Arthur Stanley Katz and Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Jeff Sinnard. -R. fiend 02:12, 11 August 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Request for sources

I note that in the Gavin Lambert article you inserted "He became Ray's lover for a period of time." Could you please clarify this in the article as to whether it is a statement by Lambert himself or if by another source. For either one, would you please cite your source. In that same edit you also inserted "He named Mart Crowley executor of his estate." In keeping with the Wikiquette guidelines, would you kindly advise me or directly cite in the article your sources for this information. Thank you. Ted Wilkes 23:14, August 14, 2005 (UTC)

Ted, he seems to have shared the information about Ray in his '04 biography on Natalie Wood. It's mentioned here. As for the information on Crowley, I think that was in the New York Times obituary. If you think I'm wrong then feel free to delete what you want.
  • Many thanks for your help. I'll touch up the article tomorrow according to the (convoluted) mention in the Guardian and delete the executor appointment until we can verify it. Please check the article tomorrow to be sure you are satisfied with my edit. I'll also look for it, but if you find that NYT reference, be sure to reinsert it. Thanks again. Ted Wilkes 01:11, August 15, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Schmidt and Hackett

I've reworked the Schmidt article re the general election. I'd appreciate your comments on both candidates at Wikipedia:Peer review/Jean Schmidt and Wikipedia:Peer review/Paul Hackett. PedanticallySpeaking 19:22, August 17, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Jean Schmidt

Thanks for your praise on my peer review. I've submitted the article as a FAC and would appreciate your vote at Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Jean_Schmidt. PedanticallySpeaking 17:06, August 23, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Jean Schmidt

Thanks for your praise on my peer review. I've submitted the article as a FAC and would appreciate your vote at Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Jean_Schmidt. PedanticallySpeaking 17:09, August 23, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] One Man's Family - TV help

I just created a new page for One Man's Family and in the process of writing it I realized just how popular and long running the show was. If any of you were fans of the show, or frequently edit/create TV pages, please consider going to the page and seeing how it looks to you. Thanks. --JamesB3 12:38, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Steven Breyer

The "Must be nice" reference was to Roberts getting to enjoy seniority on his first day in office. I was not irritated at all. In fact, I appreciated that your edit summary explained so well why you were making the edit, and I wanted to explain my revert fully as well. Keep up the good work, I have seen you doing quite a few good edits too. :-) NoSeptember 11:29, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

Thank you. Of course I see what you meant now. Thank you for the compliment. I wrote up a short entry on the "Ginsburg Precedent" for the Ruth Bader Ginsburg artricle, since no one else had. If you have a chance, I hope you can take a look and see if there are any mistakes or errors in what I wrote. And good luck with the Edith Jones pick, although for some reason I think he will go with Luttig. --JamesB3 11:31, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Perry Stephens

Would it be possible to get another source for this death? You see, the church page makes no mention of Stephens career. Although there seems to have been a Perry Stephens on Loving, one cannot be sure from the available evidence this is the same person. Also, the IMDb doesn't know the actor is dead, and I had trouble finding a Google press report. Thanks, Xoloz 07:01, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

I'll include another link. I didn't include the TV Guide Soap News link because I don't know how long the information will stay up there, but since this would be viewed more as a source. I'll include it on the recent deaths page. [4]

Perry Stephens is the one and same Perry who appeared in Loving and the Bold and the Beautiful. Originally from Alabama, I sat next to his step-mom and dad as they were flying from Houston to Alabama for his funereal. It is my understanding that Perry contracted a disease while on location for a production in the Phillipines and had been ill for over a year and a half. He was buried in Annistion, Alabama.

[edit] Irna Phillips

Hi there,

I noticed that you have worked on a few soap opera related article and I wanted to tell you that I have nominated the article on Irna Phillips for a peer review as well as nominating it for biographical colaboration of the week. If you could take a look at the article and see if you might be able to fix up anything or can think of something to add that would be great.

thanks Dowew 01:02, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

Sorry to bother you. I just saw that you can created the These Are My Children page, i didn't notice that you had seconded the nomination :)
Please, I'm not bothered! What do you think of the These Are My Children page? I'm glad you nominated the Irna Phillips entry, I hope others appreciate the work you did. --JamesB3 10:00, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
I liked your These Are My Children article, I am wondering though what site (or probably book) you utilized to find the cast info. I only learned about the show from the book "Prime Time, Prime Movers" which is where I found much of the info I added into Irna's article. I wonder if that show was ever recorded, although I guess its unlikely as it was cheap entertainment broadcast live. 129.100.49.217 19:30, 3 November 2005 (UTC) - Sorry, I was working at school and didn't realize that I had been loged off Dowew 04:18, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
I got the cast info from Soap Opera Encyclopedia, by the late Christopher Schmering. I will add that to the page when I can.--JamesB3 10:57, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Hanoi Jane

I just wanted to say that I hate jane Fonda (if I ever saw her I'd want to throw my beer at her, to me she commited treason), and thats why i didn't personally spend the time to work on her page. I did however appreciate your comments, and agree that people who have time to criticise also have time to do research, and work on the article. It would have been pretty cool if User:Jimbo, or that op-ed guy had decided to come on down and do some work on the article, instead of just complain. Anyways, I just wanted to thank you for your 'edit the damn page already' attitude, it is one I can respect and agree w. Sam Spade 03:04, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for responding. I appreciate your honesty, and I can't blame you, she elicits strong feelings. It was more the horror and histrionics over the page by some people who seemed to think they could do nothing to fix the page that baffled me. --JamesB3 09:50, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] TfD nomination of Template:Infobox Biography

Template:Infobox Biography has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at Wikipedia:Templates for deletion#Template:Infobox Biography. Thank you. DreamGuy 07:29, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion vote

Greetings, James!
In the VFD on Peter Fossett you supported my position to preserve the article, which was on a candidate for Congress in Ohio. Several of the candidates whose articles were deleted I put on a special "minor candidates" page, which is now up for deletion as well. I wonder if you would offer your comments there. It is at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ohio second congressional district other candidates. PedanticallySpeaking 17:05, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mitt Romney

James,

I saw that you have edited this page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitt_Romney

This page is the #2 site that comes up when doing a "Mitt Romney" google. In my opinion, it is better than any other Mitt Romney article. However, it is not very comprehensive. I'm trying to make something more like a Mitt Romney book, instead of a Mitt Romney Article. The website is here:

http://myclob.pbwiki.com/

I examine many additional topics, but I want more perspectives than just my own. I would like you to help contribute, if you would like. Just e-mail me at: mike.laub@gmail.com, and I will give you the password!

Until we get more people working on it, I would like to keep the password a secret. I do not have enough time to correct graffiti.

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