Talk:James R. Jordan, Sr.

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This article was nominated for deletion on November 25, 2006. The result of the discussion was keep.

[edit] Importance

James Jordan's is notable, mainly because of his murder, for a number of reasons:

• Father of Michael Jordan.
• Michael had just won 3 consecutive NBA championships, an Olympic ring a year earlier and was considered one of the top, if not the best players in the NBA when the murder took place.
• The murder recieved widespread media attention and is still mentioned periodically. (under 23)Just one of many links. I remember being 7 years old at the time and seeing the media coverage.
• It is often cited as one of the biggest reasons why Jordan retired from the NBA (the first time).

I guess it could be merged in with Michael Jordan#Personal life, but it I still think he is pretty notable. PS2pcGAMER 10:58, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

I also agree that it is notable, and should not be merged with the already long Michael Jordan article. Captain Jackson 09:36, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

It's long been the general practice not to include a biography based only only on its relationship to another biography. There have been exceptions. The question is whether or not this one is an appropriate exception. In a hundred years, James Jordan's impact on history will be as the murdered parent of a basketball legend. In that case, a one sentence bio within Michael Jordan's bio is all that is required. Rklawton 04:02, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

This probably shouldn't be it's own article, but should be mentioned more prominently in the Jordan article. -- Ubergenius 16:14, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

One of the criterion to consider when evaluating notability is whether or not anyone will care about this guy in twenty or thirty years. While Michael Jordan will long be remembered, his father will be relegated to a footnote in his son's biography - and that's where this article belongs. Rklawton 02:36, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Moving to a new name

Since there was a strong consensus on the AFD to move this article, I felt it appropriate to get the ball rolling. Any ideas? Mister.Manticore 20:20, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I admit this is a pretty crappy idea, but since the linked article says his middle initial is, like his less famous son, "R.", we could move them both, one to James R. Jordan (father) and the other to James R. Jordan (brother), since MJ is far more famous and their public identities really derive from their relation to him anyway. Unless there are better ideas...--Kchase T 08:39, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

I moved the article to James Jordan (father of Michael Jordan). If someone objects to that, we can work out another title. -GTBacchus^(talk) 07:04, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Any chance we can discover his middle name? That might be an ideal method of disambiguation in this case. — CharlotteWebb 02:12, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Apparently they are both named James Raymond Jordan (source). I've moved them to James R. Jordan, Sr. and James R. Jordan, Jr.. — CharlotteWebb 06:44, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Notability redux

Before the OJ Simpson debacle, the story of MJ's father was huge and everywhere in the media. There has to be tons and tons of newsprint on this issue somewhere. What I recall is that the trial of his two accused murderers was postponed until after the OJ stuff was over because of the publicity. Then after OJ, this story was not news any longer and was barely covered. --Brad 17:40, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

I found another article with a similar issue: the kidnapping and murder of a celebrity's son. Back in the day this case got even more national attention than Jordan's father. Rather than create a biographical article on the subject but leaving it bereft of most biographical details, editors simply created an article about the event. We might consider the same here, because what I see here isn't a biographical article but an article about an event – a murder. Rklawton 23:19, 16 March 2007 (UTC)