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[edit] your name

I thought ur name meant IAFguru. i read ur user page and realised its other meaning :)

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[edit] Hon Capt and Lt

Not the same as LT and Capt. These are outstanding long serving JCO's who are promoted in an Honorary capacity and do not go through the selection and training for an officer that other OR's, NCO's/ JCO's go through. There are no Hon Maj, Lt col, Col's, Brig's or Generals. It is different from the Captain or Lt rank in terms of role too, as they continue to do the duties of a JCO.Haphar 14:59, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

My point exactly the Hony Lt and Capt differ in no way from the regular Capt and Lt. Only issue is they are not paid. the Hony Lt and Capts dress exactly the same way as the regular capt and lt and they get exactly the same perks (access to officers mess, saluting etc). No hony colonels? All principals of Vetenary colleages where there is an NCC unit are Hony Colonels. All Nepali Army Chief of Staffs who visit India are given the rank of Honarary Generals. In the Air Force, JRD Tata and Singhania are Hony Air Commodores. iafguru 15:47, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
I have responded on the talk page-to repeat. Hon Lt and Capt are regulars and paid. They are not ceremonial and they do fight on the front in case of war unlike JRD/Singhania/Nepalese Generals. NCC and Vet colleges are not the Indian Army. Also their roles are different from a Captain / Lt of the Indian army. So is the selection process, so is the training they have gone through.

On an unrelated point after looking at the claim on your user page. Iafguru is easy for any Indian interested in the defence pages ( and looking at your edit history the arm you favour makes the connection even clearer. :-). Haphar 16:06, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

I know its just a joke - lets continue the discussion on hony ranks on the army talk page iafguru 16:16, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 3RR

I do not know if you are aware of the 3RR rule. Which says in case of two editors not agreeing to something ( like us in the recent discussion) and making changes to each others postings in an articel then the either can make changes or edits not exceeding 3 counts. Else the guilty party can be blocked. We have both been a bit zealous in guarding our POV's. I am proposing to add the Hon ranks. But will do it tomorrow after things cool things of. If you have a major disagreement with that please do let me know. But would request that no more edits or changes are done for 24 hours.Haphar 17:45, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, I was adding additional information (and deleting some!). I do disagree that the hon ranks have to be listed as seperate ranks - if you want to bring in a third party to arbitrate you are welcome. iafguru 20:32, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hindi letters

Yes, the reason is that India has 24 offficial languages and if you wish to put a particular language you must put all the 24 including Hindi. The same is said in Malayalam and many other languages as vayu sena and even in Sanskrit. It is unncessary to add just one Indian language.

Chanakyathegreat 13:39, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Change to Malayalam

I had changed it to Malayalam. If you don't want it there replace it just with Bharatiya Vayu Sena.

okay will do

Hindi words may be there on IAF aircrafts or anyother place that does not mean that only Hindi can be there. There is also English written on the aircrafts. Hindi is the official language of India along with 23 other Indian languages. So I request you not to change it to Hindi or any particular language.

If possible provide a good summary of the IAF in the lead section. I had nominated it for the Peer reivew. Next will be the featured article. Chanakyathegreat 13:50, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

jeez, the original article is in english - go tell it to the IAF to paint the mallu letters - not to me.iafguru

You misunderstood me. When I said So I request you not to change it to Hindi or any particular language. means you are not supposed to change it to either Hindi or anyother Indian language like Malayalam. As you said IAF will paint the letters in Mallu and other langs. Just wait for some more years and even in letters it will be truly Indian.

Chanakyathegreat 14:07, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Okay you can change it back, I wont edit it. but if more wikipedians keep changing it back, you will have to agree to the consensus.iafguru 14:25, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Request

Hi Iafguru, can you have a look at this request please -- Lost(talk) 07:11, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Operation Chengiz Khan

Hi Iafguru, I have just started writing an article on Operation Chengiz Khan from the 1971 war. Wondering if you could have a look and may be add in. CheersRueben lys 20:28, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Sure, will take a look and add stuff - BTW i am no more iafguru but jaiiaf. jaiiaf 20:41, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 8 Pass Charlie

Cheers Jai, also in the note, wonder if you know anything about 8-pass charlieRueben lys 12:29, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

I read about him in the recent 65 Air War book (which the link talks about) - Some story about Indian pilots actually firing at him with pistols was also there. I will check the page numbers and add some bits to it soon. Why not link it from the 65 war page too? jaiiaf 14:47, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Template:1971 Indo-Pak War

Cheers, but I think the generals who led the important battles, like sagat singh for Operation Cactus-Lilly, or Chandpuri for Battle of Longewala without doubt ought to find a place. But we could possibly have another column for heroes whithin the template, but that'll take time.BTW cheers for Halwara, but since it was hit on the last leg of strikes (what ACIG calls the third wave) does that really fall under the "first strikes" section?Rueben lys 13:43, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Maybe we can create a second and third strikes section - i havent seen the ACIG page but will read it in detail. I didnt realise it was titled first strikes section. However the raid on halwara was very much part of the operation so you can move the entries here and there in correct chrono order jaiiaf 14:29, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Re: Generals and Majors, it is possible to add another section to the template under "Gallantry Awards", although that's gonna take a while 'cause I am a bit busy. Sounds about right???Rueben lys 18:52, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image from IAF article removed

It's not fair to remove that image. I left the caption because some one can edit it to make it better. Such stunning displays by the officer is better suited to be in the IAF article. There is no such restrictions that only images of officers with the official dress can be added. Out of the box thinking is required and you must do some research and think twice before removing or editing articles. If you have any suggestions leave a message for me.

Chanakyathegreat 08:27, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Without a caption the image does not make sense. It is better for you to get the caption to illustrate the image. otherwise it is just some guy doing stunts and it does not seem relevant on the IAF page. Moreover the picture should go in an appropriate section - the chap is a Para Jump Instructor - so if there is a section on PJIs or PTS, the image would make a good addition there. However using the image in a section titled "Officers" or "Officers ranks" is plain inappropriate IMHO. jaiiaf 12:15, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Picture of "RIN" Ships

Oh, allright.

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[edit] Quotes on Indo Pak Tank Battles

Very good article. You worked very hard on getting those quotations about the war. I've added a new citation and did some grammer cleanup. Freedom skies 22:13, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Straw-poll on Charles de Gaulle aircraft carrier

Hi therei Thanks for participating on the Straw Poll in the discussion page of the Charles de Gaulle aircraft carrier. Can you kindly have other persons who can provide an opinion please ? Thanks a lot.

[edit] Kargil War prisoners

Hi, i updated some then left. Now I've doen a better job and included the two sources. one Xinxhua and another tribune. The first one says 2 POWs were released by pak in 2004 in exchange for 1 pakistani soldier in indian camp. thus apart from the existing figure of 8+1=9 for pak and 1(nachiketa)+2(updated stats)=3 POWs for India. Message me if it is still confusing. Tx Idleguy 13:22, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, you are right. The indian prisoners weren't POWs from Kargil. I should have taken more time into reading more about the details from multiple sources before putting it in. Hope you can try to get the pows who were released in '99 and 2000. But only those who were captured during the period of the conflict can be termed as POWs under the article atleast. Tx Idleguy 18:53, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Aftab Kiran

Aftab Kiran's contributions are all one sided POVs with hardly any source on related topics of the Hyderabad State and Nizam. I tried to talk to him but he engages in personal attacks. He is hellbent on reverting to his version full of mistakes, historical inaccuracies and unsourced. Take a look and decide what we should do. Idleguy 05:51, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 65 Telegram

I'm glad you found it hilarious - like I did. :-) I was actually searching for some images on East Pakistan in Google image search and found the icdc.com site which had many archives declassified by the US Govt. btw, does the "iaf" in your username refer to IAF? just curious. Idleguy 03:25, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Operation Chengiz Khan improvement

Hi Jai, I've worked on the Operation Chengiz Khan article for a while and tried to improve it to FA standards. Problem is I've run out of resources, which were mostly online stuff anyway. Wonder if you could have a look, and also pass a judgement on the standard???Cheers.Rueben lys 23:10, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Operation Chengiz Khan further improvement

Hi Jai, wonder if you could have a look atthe Operation Chengiz Khan article which is currently a GA nominee. Problem is I've run out of resources, which were mostly online stuff anyway. Wonder if you could have a look and also pass a judgement on the standard???Cheers.Rueben lys 23:10, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Unfortunately tahts about it. I think you covered everything that is available. Tom Coopers article and Air Chief Marshal PC Lals book are the only two that i can think of. There is not much in ACM Lals book. Reg the quality of the article I will take a look at it soon. jaiiaf 15:45, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jaffna University Helidrop

Hi jai, wonder if you could have a look at Jaffna University Helidrop? The bharat-rakshak site in the reference is pretty good, but it's pretty hard to discern the essential info without copyvio. I am thinking this is one article we could get to FA with some more (hard) work.Rueben lys 16:23, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] 1965 aerial warfare details

I notice you added some details of aerial warfare in the Second Kashmir War, but I suggest, you can start a new article about the 65 air warfare and then add the details there so that the section in the main war doesn't get too long. I hope you can work on those lines. Thanks Idleguy 06:28, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

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