Talk:Jaffa (Stargate)

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Jaffa homeworld is disputed. Please see Talk:Chulak for more information.

nsh 18:15, Feb 27, 2004 (UTC)

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[edit] still marked as a stub

I think it's fair to say this entry could be considered a full-blown article and no longer a stub...

[edit] Same word in two sentances, different spellings

"...meditation known as Kelna'rim on regular intervals in order to synchronise with the symbiote. If kelnoreem is not performed..."

Kelna'rim or kelnoreem? Manfrin 03:55, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

the official spelling seems to be kelnoreem. [1] [2] [3] Zanaq 10:56, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
But [4] has it spelled on most pages as Kelnarim or Kelnorim. Considering There is no difinitive source, and that there are no subtitles on the DVD's to verify with, I think we should just keep it with Kelna'rim as is in the article (I fixed the second spelling to match). Also, 'kelnoreem' is the phonetical spelling of it, and therefore the extra results in the google search for that spelling is probably attributed to people simply commenting on the show, spelling how it sounds. Manfrin 02:08, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merge discussion

Instead of having 2 or more stubs based on Jaffa related subjects, let's bring them all together. Lady Aleena 00:03, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Looks like a good idea to me overall, but at the same time how about splitting off a List of Jaffa since half the article is currently taken up by that and there's another similar list over in First Prime that would add to the listiness of the article as well. Bryan 00:42, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
I like this idea. SPlit it to Jaffa and List of Jaffa, First Prime goes in List, the rest in Jaffa. Manfrin 02:09, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
Instead of putting the Jaffa High Council in the Jaffa entry, I think it should be put in the Free Jaffa Nation article. I will change the merge links to reflect that, since the High Council is the first government of the Free Jaffa Nation. Lady Aleena 04:23, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
Indifferent to Jaffa resistance, Oppose for First Prime. Reiterating my argument in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Stargate, I beleive that First Prime isn't just a kind of Jaffa but a fictional military rank, entitled to its own article. Heck, real military ranks have shorter articles. In addition, I think it's a good idea to have something to link to when someone types [[First Prime]], if only because we went without it for so long. Lockesdonkey 19:40, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
A redirect page would suffice.-- Alfakim --  talk  08:34, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
Merge both. Just because an article is merged doesn't mean we can use the first as a redirect - in this case, First Prime would then point to the Jaffa page (too bad redirects can't point to a specific entry on the page). Since there aren't any other Jaffa rankings that I'm aware of, it doesn't really make sense to have a completely separate article merely for a First Prime - now, if the structure of the Jaffa military were fleshed out more, then I'd think it appropriate to make an entire new entry on Jaffa military structure or somesuch, but still leave First Prime as a redirect. And the Jaffa resistance article is really too small to keep on its own, even if it were fleshed out. Virogtheconq 00:35, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Status Quo No need to merge the articles as the subject matter is distinct - look at all the parts of the Jaffa article which have nothing to do with the First Prime.

Robertbrockway 08:04, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Seperate species?

I have not seen to the end of Season 9 yet but AFAIK it has never been established whether a human and a Jaffa can create fertile offspring - this the most commonly accepted definition of a species. Jaffa and humans have never been shown as interested in each other sexually/romantically that I can recall. Whether or not Jaffa are a seperate species remains to be defined I believe. Just because they are decended from humans does not on its own mean they are still human in any biological sense. My person feeling is that the Jaffa constitute a seperate species. Robertbrockway 07:43, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Horus, Anubis

Ra's Jaffa in the film are credited as Anubis and Horus. Should we include them? After all, [presumably unrelated] Anubis and Horus (Heru-ur) turned out to be System Lords in SG-1. --Codenamecuckoo 10:41, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Ra didn't have Jaffa. The film's story of Ra's Royal Guards is different then SG-1's story of Jaffa. Since Ra's Anubis and Horus were not Jaffa, they should not be included here.

[edit] Age of Prata & Prim'tah

Changed the first article since it implied that all Jaffa requires a symbiote upon reaching puberty, this is not true for all jaffa populations. Teal'c's son did not require a sybiote because of his age but because he was sick and dying.

He only got sick because his immune system shut down, it has been explicitly stated that all Jaffa require a symbiote to survive after they reach their specific age. Many episodes (Specifically those with the Hak'tyl) have shown Jaffa children with no apparent sickness requiring a symbiote to prevent their death. JBK405 22:13, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

How was it that Teal'c was planning to keep his son alive, wasn't the episode where he gets his son back based around Teal'c not wanting his son to grow up a slave needing a symbiont? How was this suppose to work then if his son would die anyway? From watching the show I was under the impression that the only reason his son needed a symbiont was that he was sick with a normal major infection and became too sick to move. --Talroth 01:51, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

I have to agree with the statements above. the articles reads as if jaffa require a symbionte to live. as stated above this is untrue. i belive the reason why Teal'c's son was sick is that he was living in poverty after his family was outcast from jaffa society. also where does this nonsence about genetic experimentatoion come from ? wasnt it proved that the creation of the Jafa was a mechanical process performed by a queen symbiote and not a genetic feature. i am refering of cource to the episode which introduced Hathor who turned O'neil into a Jafa useing a drill like device on her waist. doesnt this mean that the jaffa are not actually a species but rather a culture or perhaps a nation that have their own brand of body modification?--Dr noire 23:06, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jaffa/Human Link

Where was it ever established that Jaffa are biologically human, their ancestors being modified humans?? --Promus Kaa 20:22, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

It has been established, most prominently in the episode Hathor, that they definitely are modified humans. However, Hathor has actually been officially declared non-cannon (There are many issues between it and the continuity of other episodes, as well as just some bad plot points) and I can't recall a specific other instance where it was so clearly stated (Although I'm pretty sure that it was stated elsewhere). JBK405 01:25, 19 October 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Jaffa Cake

"Jaffa are also the first race to have brought Jaffa Cakes to planet Earth."
was that mentioned in the show somewhere, or is somebody just taking the piss. I'm pretty sure that needs to be removed, but a second opinion would be nice

Guy is blatantly taking the piss please change it.

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