Talk:Jacking
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Man I could go for some jacking right now, I could just picture myself jacking to music. I want that album, whichever one has "Jack your body" as the sample. JayKeaton 04:06, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] PROD discussion
A PROD is a method to inform the article's creator that it has notability questions. Please note that a PROD has five days before it is considered for deletion by an admin if needed improvements are not made. Should a PROD be removed without substantial improvement, this could lead to article for deletion debate which the Wikipedian community will debate. A second removal is usually not recommended until improvements are made. Ronbo76 15:33, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
- I recommend just going straight to AfD. Prod makes it too easy to game the system because anyone can just remove the tag, whereas the extra effort needed to start an AfD pays off because it has to be seen through to the end. Kafziel Talk 15:36, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
- Negative. Going to AfD in that manner is not viewed as being conductive to either the creator or the community. The reason this is being discussed here is to politely inform all parties of the process. The AfD can be started at any time. Second removal as per the first paragraph of this discussion is usually the pertinent time. Ronbo76 15:42, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
- That's not true at all. AfD is the most constructive of all the deletion processes. It guarantees that the process will be followed through, that multiple editors will participate in the discussion, and that the results (either way) will be binding. Prod is a relatively new and completely optional step, and once it's clear that the deletion is contested (as it is here) it should be sent to AfD instead. See the very first part of Wikipedia:Proposed deletion#Conflicts:
"If anyone, including the article's creator, removes Template:Prod from an article for any reason, do not put it back, except if the removal was clearly not an objection to deletion (such as blanking the entire article, or removing the tag along with inserting blatant nonsense); however, if the edit is not obviously vandalism, do not restore it, even if the tag was apparently removed in bad faith." (Not my emphasis.)
- The article was not blanked and blatant nonsense was not inserted; in fact, the author attempted to add references. So the prod tag should not be replaced. It should be sent to AfD instead. Kafziel Talk 16:08, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
- That's not true at all. AfD is the most constructive of all the deletion processes. It guarantees that the process will be followed through, that multiple editors will participate in the discussion, and that the results (either way) will be binding. Prod is a relatively new and completely optional step, and once it's clear that the deletion is contested (as it is here) it should be sent to AfD instead. See the very first part of Wikipedia:Proposed deletion#Conflicts:
- Negative. Going to AfD in that manner is not viewed as being conductive to either the creator or the community. The reason this is being discussed here is to politely inform all parties of the process. The AfD can be started at any time. Second removal as per the first paragraph of this discussion is usually the pertinent time. Ronbo76 15:42, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
- In AfD debates, the double negatives in the section you quote almost tripped up the nominator for the reasons I listed in my second reply. In that case, another user voided that argument by invoking Wikipedia:Ignore all rules which I do now in building consensus in a good faith effort to educate all about the deletion process. PROD is viewed as being equitable and in an AfD debate is usually the first objection raised if not employed. Ronbo76 16:50, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
- The fact that an article has not been prodded (or, in this case, prodded twice) is in no way a valid objection to an AfD. I'm not sure where you're getting this stuff. You nominated this article for speedy deletion today; if I had deleted it as you wanted, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. So I don't understand why you're suddenly so interested in drawing out the process and "educating" everyone.
- I know I initially phrased this as a suggestion, but it isn't really. The prod has been contested, so you need to send it to AfD (or just leave the article alone - that's up to you). Kafziel Talk 16:59, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
- I noted your suggestion. I also have been involved in AfD debates on all sides of the issues. I am aware of what I speak about. It will now be nominated. Ronbo76 17:11, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
