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[edit] where?

I had never heard of jack chick until a few years ago, and now it seems he's fairly well known. Has his work received wider readership/interest for any reason? Meelar 00:16, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Fark.com. Seriously. I don't think anyone knew about him until Fark started linking to him regularly. RadicalBender 00:17, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)
This article could probably use a section on reactions to Chick tracts. Certainly everyone I know finds his material unintentionally hilarious. And if it's been mentioned on Fark, it's not an isolated phenomenon, but probably how a large segment of the population knows about his work.--128.163.161.40 1 July 2005 11:08 (UTC)
I have to disagree; I lived in the American South until 1993, and his tracts were well-known there. Chip Unicorn 21:30, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
Heck. Chick's been around a long time, lurking in laundromats and phone booths. Fark just made him bigtime. -- Decumanus 00:18, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)
His tracts can often be found anywhere where people can discreetly drop them off. I've found them in laundromats and newspaper dispensers. I found one in a bathroom stall, which seemed appropriate. People have found his tracks in the pews of Catholic churches, which I suppose is as welcome as Mein Kampf being left in a synagogue.--RLent 22:02, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
I think (but can't confirm, or I'd have put it in the article) that he's mostly a phenomenon in the U.S. south (aside from fark of course). Most of the tracts I was handed in Texas were his; most of those up here in MN aren't. - Hephaestos|§ 00:20, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I learned about him in wisconsin, and I've seen his tracts here in Ohio. And what the heck is fark? Sam [Spade] 20:08, 3 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Fark.com? Jonathan Grynspan
He's also well-known in the roleplaying scene ever since he published "Dark Dungeons", which (along with groups like BADD) led to the stigmatization of roleplaying by many conservative Christians.
I first learned about him in the late 1980s from Ivan Stang's book on odd subcultures, High Weirdness By Mail. In that article, a page of a very lurid Chick comic was shown as well as an isolated panel or two. Once I'd had exposure, then I started to notice it on the fringes of mainstream culture. Not prominent, but there if you were sensitized to it, invisible if you weren't. Catbar (Brian Rock) 18:42, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I first heard of him a few years ago on a pagan forum where his tracts were a regular source of humor. Since then I've shared them with many people, and lost count of how many I've read myself and I've yet to see any results. I'm still an athiest, rock fan and role-player. The best result I've ever seen to his work is laughter. Danikat 20:21, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] NPOV stupid

Is there any NPOV way of noting how spectacularly stupid this guy is? :) --Furrykef 19:53, 3 Jul 2004 (UTC)

easy, just ad facts ;) Sam [Spade] 20:07, 3 Jul 2004 (UTC)
But they're scary horrifically scary. :( Jonathan Grynspan
hehehe... my favorite kind! The scarier they are (or more suprising, shocking, unexpected, etc...), the more important to cite and verify tho, of course :) Sam [Spade] 23:53, 2 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Jack Chick is spreading seeds of prejudice and hatred rather than soul winnng.He si really good at promoting traditional anti-catholicism in the form of tracts,comics and books.During the 19th Century and even up to the 1960s,anti-catholicism was part of American Protestant lifestyle.The King James Version is hard for someone who doesn't understand the English it uses and it is not the only PERFECT version. I like every Bible version because they all are God's Word. That is why we have the New International Version,New King James Version,The Living Bible,The Good News bible,The New Jerusalem Bible and etc. Jack Chick is a fool to believe such nonsense !Then there is that infamous and hated Alberto Rivera whose's views contradict history including Church History.Whoever or whatever Alberto was,he is a deceiver and false prophet.Then,there is the 'claim' that Islam was created by the Catholic Church.How can this be when they fought and killed each other during the Crusades and still oppose each other till today.Hitler was never a Catholic though his parents were and he hated both Catholics and Protestants and tried to replaced them with his Nazi Religion.No one is perfect including Protestants,for example Martin Luther the founder of the Reformation preached antisemitism and told his followers to persecute Jews. I might agree with him concerning Evolution and abortion but not with cATHOLICISM

Thanks for your comments! They are not entirely NPOV, so please try to be careful of neutrality. Would you like to form a user account? Sam [Spade] 23:26, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)
If you'd like to express a POV I'd suggest adding to the Uncyclopedia article on Jack Chick:
http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Jack_Chick. Frankly, this parody is far too nice for the vile piece of garbage that is its subject matter.Get in there and tear him a new a--hole! --Naughtyned 15:10, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
I have taken my own advice: [1]. This article was helpful as a reference for editing the Uncyclopedia article, especially the revelation that his work was partly inspired by Chinese Communist propoganda tracts (I hope my reference to that won't be considered too much of a "true fact" for Uncyclopedia!) It figures that a hate-filled "Christian" cult leader would find Communist techniques of indoctrinating and manipulating uneducated, vulnerable people worthy of emulation.--Naughtyned 15:52, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm very surprised that there isn't more incisive information on this page about the characteristics of the strange, insane nightmare world Jack Chick lives in. I think more people, Christians and non-Christians alike, deserve to have identified to them specific examples of his incredibly warped perspective on the world. I'm a Christian myself, and honestly, Mr Chick is an incredible aggravator of anti-Christian sentiment. Adrianke77 05:53, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] various quibbles

In 1996, Jack Chick's website was elected the best Christian website

Elected by who?

It was Lola's mother who converted Chick to Christianity.

What was his religion before this?

I'd be fine w you removing these, unless someone wants to verify them. Sam [Spade] 00:36, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I'll trim the "best Christian website," since there's no source.
Probably talking orthogonally with the comment about his conversion versus his prior "religion." Fundamentalist-Christians see conversion ("born again") as an adult event. Before that, even if you are "raised Christian," you are in general considered to be "unsaved." Jdavidb 21:32, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I never understood that belief. I'm pretty sure the Christian bible says that you only need to accept Jesus to be saved. (But then, who am I to tell fundamentals how to bible-bash?) Jonathan Grynspan 06:14, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Jack Chick claims somewhere on his website (I'll find a link if anyone really wants to see it) that he was incredibly anti-Christian before his being "born again", and was antagonistic towards Christians. This may just be him painting himself that way to encourage people who are like that to become like him, though. So, it's probably fair to say that he converted to Christianity, even if he didn't actually espouse atheism at any time.---SpaceMoose 06:14, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Is it worth adding in a note that at least a few people seem to think that he's a Catholic mocking the fundamentalists? --Kadett 01:01, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I don't think so. Anyone as over-the-top as Chick is bound to have a few people who come along and say "this can't be real" if they don't know the background. The same could be said of Fred Phelps. NTK 16:05, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] When?

When did he start to publish his tracts? AxelBoldt 20:19, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)

1964, according to http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1346/is_5_48/ai_101173128/pg_2 --Po8crg 20:00, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Is Chick a dispensationalist?

Most of the wikipedia article relating to dispensationalism rang true for Chick, however, the quote on the antichrist did not: "By consistently teaching that the Beast of Revelation, or the Antichrist, is a political leader, dispensationalism has weakened the traditional Reformation-era identification of that figure with the Pope, and the Roman Catholic Church with the Whore of Babylon. Dispensationalism has led many evangelical Christians of the USA to temper their traditional anti-Catholicism, at least a little."

Chick has repeatedly made claims that the Catholic church is the whore of babylon, and that at the end of times, the Pope will be the anti-christ. --Havermayer 01:20, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)


It might be appropriate to inlude mention of similarities between Jack Chick's views and the Book THE TWO BABYLONS by Alexander Hislop. Most 20th Century Anti-Catholicism movements revere that book. Chick's tracts repeat many of Hislops accusations almost word for word. (LisaPollison 1/17/06)

[edit] Confusing wording

I was confused for a moment when I read this article and it said "After his marriage, he began working at the AstroScience Corporation etc." Shouldn't it say "After his wedding" or something? Because to me marriage is the entire period that you are married to someone, but if he did all this AFTER his marriage this would imply he split from his wife Lola somewhere in the 60s or so, doesn't it? Yet the article later indicates that he stayed with his wife until his death in 1998. Or am I misinterpreting this word? At any rate, it's rather confusing and maybe "wedding" would be a better choice of word. --Little-quiqueg 18:17, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Changed to "after marrying." Samaritan 06:56, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Possible copyright problem

The image of Jack Chick was drawn by Jimmy Akin, who never gave permission for its use and who retains the rights to the drawing. Proof: http://www.jimmyakin.org/2005/04/happy_birthday_.html

[edit] Jack Chick Museum of Fine Art: Pro-Chick?

I think placing the Jack Chick Museum of Fine Art in a Pro-Chick category is a huge stretch. It's hard to say it's anti-Chick, since it also supports his right to free speech, but the site contains a gigantic repository of tract reviews that pick apart almost every tract ever published. The "fan club" is an obvious spoof club, what with the "Get Out of Hell Free" card you get.

I would put this in the "Relatively Neutral" category myself.Rebochan 17:19, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] JohanL's changes

I have reverted most of JohanL's changes. First, the spelling of "theater" was changed to the British "theatre" in two places. First, I believe it against policy to make these changes except for the sake of consistency, but moreover this article is about an American so it makes sense to use the American spelling, especially for "Pasadena Playhouse School of Theater" where "Theatre" is actually wrong. Secondly, a profusion of superfluous links was added, most of which were not really related to this article and which hurt the flow and readibility of the article, detracting from the relevant links. In fact, looking at the current state of the article there are already far too many useless links. NTK 20:01, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Big Daddy refutation?

Some time back, I came across a page that had a point-by-point refutation of Jack Chick's (in)famous Big Daddy comic - the anti-evolution one. I was trying to find the page again, but wasn't able to - does anyone know the page I'm talking about? If so, do you have a link? It would be much appreciated.

Is this it? Anville 13:12, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Dropping 'infamous' and 'extremist'

I don't think that these words conform to a NPOV. What do y'all think? On the other hand, I think that a summary of some of his tracts might help give a stronger impression of how wacked out this fellow is. Chip Unicorn 16:21, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Non-believer ironic "appreciation"

There really should be some mention of how a fair number of people enjoy Jack Chick's works solely for their preposterousness (the "Death Cookie", etc. etc.). AnonMoos 10:23, 20 October 2005 (UTC)


It's true that at least within Comic fandom, there is a subgenre of Chick fans who adore his tracts not for their Christian message but for their inadvertant comic content. Sadly, many of those same fans poo-poo the Anti-Catholic and Anti-semtic messages in those comics. It's a bit like telling a survivor of the Holocaust that they should read Mein Kampf because it's a "laugh riot!"

I've yet to meet an observant Jew or devout Catholic Comic fan who finds Chick's tracts very amusing. They may be out there, but I haven't come across them. I believe this speaks more to the continuing undercurrent of Anti-Catholicism and Anti-Semetism in American culture. People I know who would never use the 'N' word, think nothing of using the 'K' word or repeating some of Chick's assertions that Catholics and Masons are in it with "the Jews" to pave the way for a 'new World order.'

Like it or not, Jack Chick's tracts reveal a great deal about what is quietly held to be true by mainy 'mainstream' Christians.

(lisapollison 1/17/06)

Well, I'm (At least technically) Catholic, and I think that these things are a laugh riot, I mean, the pope=the antichrist? That's like saying Tab cola tastes better than fresca, it may be true, but nobody cares 67.160.39.151 06:02, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm a bisexual, and I find Birds and the Bees a laugh riot! Chip Unicorn 21:40, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
My roommate and good friend, who is a lesbian, works as a cook and waitress. There are these two women that frequented the restaurant and had the habit of leaving Chick tracts in place of tips. A few weeks ago they left her a "tip" consisting of that tract, because apparently they overheard my roommate mention herself as being gay in conversation with someone else. My roommate didn't find "Birds and the Bees" a laugh riot. It reduced her nearly to tears of rage; I've never seen her so angry. She wasn't mad because the pamphlet disses gays; she can handle that sort of thing. She was furious because the tract puts words of hatred and bigotry in the mouth of a child. Her manager at the restaurant was also outraged. The women came back several nights later and were escorted out and informed that they were no longer welcome at the restaurant, which they had frequented for some years. Looking back on my life, I think their "tip" is about the most shockingly rude thing I've ever seen one human being do to another. Kasreyn 10:09, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
Ouch. You have my sympathy. If someone gave me that tract as a statement against me, I would be equally outraged. I found that tract funny for its poor writing, and its over-the-top rudeness. Chip Unicorn 23:50, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Obviously these things can be seriously offensive and hurtful if directed at someone personally but I've also seen their target audience thoughly enjoying laughing at them. I was first introduced to them on a pagan forum and I've actually gone on and read many of them myself, purely for humor value. As a biologist (well ok, final year biology student) I think my favourites are the ones on evolution, with Dungeons & Dragons a close second. I may be confusing Chicks site with another website but I seem to remember something about a zoo hidden in the Amazon rain forest where dinosaurs were collected so scientists could keep up the "myth" of evolution. Prehaps a section on the full range of possible reactions? Discuss the fact that many people are seriously offended and hurt by having these statements made about (and to) them, but also that many people including those the cartoons are directed at find them amusing. It would also answer one question thats bothered me since I first learned of Chicks work: Have these things ever, ever worked on anyone? Is there even a sigle case of someone falling to their knees and begging forgivness from Jesus after reading one of his cartoons? Danikat 20:44, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] In defense of Jack Chick

  • I think his tracts provide an interesting historical perspective on religion. To be honest, I think his comics are well done. I just needed to get that out. Danny Lilithborne 04:29, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
    I suppose the perspective is interesting in that it shows exactly how far wrong it is possible to be... Chick is batting about .001 on comprehension of any religion except his own. Kasreyn 10:01, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
    Historical perspective is not interesting if it's false. And I'm not talking about religion. Mdoc7 04:34, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
    Mister Lilithborne, it says you like the band "Rush" on your userpage. Are you aware that rock music was invented by the devil to promote witchcraft and spread homosexuality? You ought to read the chick tract "Angels".
If anyone agrees with Chick, they should A. talk with a psychiatrist, B. talk with a member of the clergy (Protestant or Catholic) to get the actual history of the Church, C. if these dont work, bash yourself on the head with a blunt object to save yourself from a lifetime of your own extreme idiocy. Therequiembellishere 07:04, 23 October 2006 (UTC) BTW My Chem Rocks, so I guess that means I'm gay. Wow, my g/f will have a problem with that . . .

I like Chick. RichardT

Then you need to be put on much medication.Centurion Ry 20:27, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

nt RichardT

[edit] Anti-canadian hate vandalism removed

  • I have removed the "canada" section of this article because it contained non-NPOV content claiming that canada has massed a "hate crime" law nick-name the 'fred phelps law" or "jack chick law". Living in canada myself i would know about this if it were true.

""Canada

Canada has passed hate crime legislation, alternatingly referred to by the informal names "Fred Phelps Law" and "Jack Chick Law". Pure inuyasha 00:55, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Relatively neutral"

While I'm no fan of Jack Chick, I wouldn't say that [2] is taking a "relatively neutral" stance on his work. An excerpt from the page: "Who does Chick like? Well, apart form the gullible turkeys who shell out their hard-earned dolleros for this tripe, that’s a good question!". 80.202.102.215 21:18, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

"Chick's cartoons depict delusional conspiracy theories featuring Satan, the Catholic Church, Communists, Muslims, rock musicians, scientists, and politicians, as well as other groups and subjects behind popular entertainment, (role playing) gaming, and other perceived ills of modern culture..." The word delusional, is POV, so I am removing it. Also there is a sentance that says, "chick has been considered anti-semitic," that's weasel-wording. It needs a source 88.154.158.42 15:56, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] His wife

"His new wife is considerably younger than he is, and Asian." Come on. Is that NPOV? Is it important? When I was at journalism school, I was taught that pointing out somebody's race was not required unless it was vital to the context of the story. Seems like just a disparaging attmept to call Jack Chick a dirty old man with a mail order bride. (I'm definitely not a Chick fan, but let's try and be professional!) --Affentitten 23:24, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

I agree - "considerably younger" is imprecise and therefore meaningless. 211.30.237.66 14:41, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] His Paranoid Message and world

The World Chick believes is out there is a place filled with godless scientists, demon possessed games, and vast conspiracies. Any amount of anything resembling research will show much of his claims to be out and out drivel if not outright fraud. As with many fundamentalists he takes quotes from the bible out of context and ignores any contradictions. For example Micah 6:8, Matthew 25:31-46, Matt 24:45-51, Luke 19:8-9 all have good works as a path to salvation with NO mention given to faith.


[edit] Cleanup needed

I pruned a couple of large chunks of text (see below) from the 'Comics' section, now 'Publications'. There are already pages for Chick Publications, Claims by Chick Publications, and Alberto Rivera - let's use them, rather than duplicating and triplicating material here that should be on those pages. A lot of what remains should also be moved to those pages, but needs cleanup. In particular:

  • I'm pretty sure Chick's first publications were not the Crusader Comics but tracts such as 'This Was Your Life' and 'A Demon's Nightmare' (see Chick website here), so the chronology in this section is out.
  • The article claims Chick wrote 24 comics in the 1970s-1980s (didn't he do way more tracts than that in that period?) and says that the first 17 of these are known as the Crusader Comics, but then calls the last 6 'Crusader Comics' as well. (Perhaps it could also say what the other one was about?)
  • NPOV. Lines like 'this is one of the more rational claims Chick makes' are not encyclopaedic. Yes, I know he offends a lot of us, but there are more appropriate, encyclopaedic ways to indicate that his claims are widely disputed. And the less we duplicate discussion, the less we *have* to deal with this problem.
  • General structuring. This section is all over the place. --Calair 00:14, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pruned text

In each of the six comics, Dr. Alberto Rivera's character claims that the Vatican is behind many evil acts throughout history such as World War I and World War II. In the first comic Rivera claims that he was a Catholic priest and he tells how he left the Catholic Church. In the second comic "Double Cross," Rivera tells how he went to London and rescued his sister from a nunnery. In that comic, he also claims that the Vatican is trying to kill him. In "The Godfathers," Rivera claims that the Catholic Church founded Communism and Nazism and tried to destroy the Jews. In "The Force," Rivera's character claims that the Catholic Church is using Occult power to destroy the souls of Her followers. In "The Four Horsemen", Rivera claims that the Vatican persecuted Christians and is using organisations to do its work. In "The Prophet," Rivera claims that the Catholic Church helped start Islam to destroy the Jews so that the Vatican could move its headquarters to Jerusalem. (It should be noted that research by Christianity Today and other evangelical publications has revealed that Rivera was never ordained as a Catholic priest.) It should also be noted that the majority of evangelical Christians are either uncomfortable with, or adamently opposed to, both Chick's allegedly hate-filled message and his methods...

At least one tract has been changed after correspondence revealed Jack Chick had no evidence for the statement it contained. In 'The Death Cookie', Jack Chick describes the consecration of wafers in ancient Egypt. It contained the line 'They called this process transubstantiation'. After being pressed on the issue, the publishers contacted Jack and found that it had indeed been based on no verifiable evidence. The new tract now reads 'This is called transubstantiation'. --Calair 00:14, 11 March 2006 (UTC)


[edit] No photograph?

There's never been a photograph of him? THat's a huge claim to make, five seconds on google gives me http://www.havelshouseofhistory.com/Chick,%20Jack%20T..jpg at the very least ((c. 1920s, California-Alive). Christian Cartoonist. Had a conversion experience on his honeymoon, 1948.) Sherurcij (talk) (Terrorist Wikiproject) 16:05, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

That site looks like it could as easily be a "own a piece of history!" scam site as reputable. Either way, the picture is terrible and unverifiable. — Saxifrage ✎ 23:13, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
There used to be a site that archived all of his strips, and it had a photo of him before they took it down. He looked sort of like a live-action Ned Flanders. Felicity4711 22:36, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
lol, happen to remember the url at all - archive.org likely has a cached version of the site stored :) Sherurcij (talk) (Terrorist Wikiproject) 19:00, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] External links

I've removed a number of external links, as they were becoming excessive. Please keep in mind that Wikipedia is not a repository of links; the guidelines at WP:EL and the previous link point out that they should be kept at a representative minimum. Tijuana Brass 03:30, 6 April 2006 (UTC) The matter of what can be considered "excessive" comes into question. Taking into account the size of this article and the amount of controversy, a dozen or so anti-Chick links doesn't seem excessive, while a single link can hardly be "representative". I also fail to see how zero pro-Chick links could fit the definition of "representative". That collection of external links certainly doesn't "dwarf" the article, and each one contributes its own unique perspective, distinct from what is already covered in the article. --Eldritch 06:44, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Okinawa Suvivor?

Removed reference about being "one of the few survivors of the Battle of Okinawa". The site link referenced simply repeated the same sentence with no reference. Also, while the Battle of Okinawa was one of the bloodiest battles ever there were more than "a few" survivors of that battle.

http://www.militaryhistoryonline.com/wwii/okinawa/default.aspx

~~Greylond

[edit] a few changes

As one who reads Chick tracts, I felt I could add something helpful. Under the Publications heading, I corrected the claim that Chick's stories always have the same outcome. They do not, although there's only one of two possible endings. I also stated that Chick always appeals to the reader to pray a prayer to God to save him at the end of the story.192.231.128.67 05:07, 6 September 2006 (UTC)


Thanks for the correction. You are, of course, correct. Chip Unicorn 17:42, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Anti-Semitic Accusations

First, User:Liftarn added Chick under the anti-semite category, and then posted a link to "Where's Rabbi Waxman" http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0014/0014_01.asp saying Chick has been accused of anti-semitism. I think it's quite inaccurate to call Chick and anti-semite. The message of the tract is that Jews would go to hell if they don't accept Christ as their savior despite having the law. It doesn't say that the Jewish nation would go to hell simply because they are Jews - that would be anti-semitic. As for accusations, considering that the user in question assumes that Chick is anti-semitic I suppose it is correct that Chick has indeed been accused of this, but it's similar to original research (which is prohibited) if a user makes the accusation. Should there be a relevant link with other people's accusations I suppose it'd be OK to add somewhere in the article that "Chick has been accused of...", but until that happens I'll keep reverting edits of the above sort. Jack Daw 15:40, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

It's pretty clear that Chick is against a lot of groups: Catholics ([[3]], [[4]], [[5]], [[6]], [[7]], [[8]]), Muslims ([[9]], [[10]], [[11]]), homosexuals ([[12]], [[13]]), masons ([[14]]), Hindus ([[15]]), and Buddhists ([[16]]). He's not particularly anti-Semitic; he's just against any group that doesn't have the same religious views as him. Chip Unicorn 18:08, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Well I think that it's kind of a confusion over the meaning of anti-Semitism. To be anti-Semitic is to have negative views of Jews and believe Jews have negative characteristics that derive directly from their Jewishness. I have not yet found any evidence that Chick holds such a view - he portrays Jews, Catholics, gays et. al. in a negative light but he ties this to them not believing his ideology, not because of inherent traits in the people he attacks. --Davril2020 17:27, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
"His anti-Semitism is rarely overt, though he does claim falsely that Lenin and Stalin were both "of Jewish extraction" and that the House of Rothschild controls the Illuminati. Chick shares fully, however, in the anti-Semitism that underlies much fundamentalist theology."[17], "Although Chick has toned down his anti-Semitism in recent years, let's just say that his "ministry" is no friend of Jews who aren't interested in converting to Christianity."[18] and "Other targets of Chick include Islam, Freemasonry, and Judaism, which is portrayed in one comic (Where’s Rabbi Waxman) as incomplete and inadequate unless belief in Jesus is acknowledged.[82] This immense site demonstrates exactly how the old-style extremism can be easily updated and made even more accessible by the new technology."[19]// Liftarn
If we're calling Jack Chick anti-Semitic, I'm adding anti-Catholic and anti-Muslim to the list. Chip Unicorn 20:58, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
But, none of this shows that he's anti-semitic. Would I be anti-white if I claimed Bill Gates was behind let's say "anti-American UN operations" or something of that kind? As for targetting Jews in that tract, again, it's not because they're Jews, but because they're sinners that they are, as that article (or whatever's the source) says, "incomplete and inadequate". Jack Daw 20:26, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

HOLD IT for a minute. Do we have a third party, as in an outside source, calling Chick anti-semitic, anti-catholic, or any of these things? Refresh your memories on WP:NOR. No matter how disgustingly offensive Chick's tracts are, we ourselves cannot state that they are anti-semitic or anti-catholic or anything else. We must quote someone else saying it from outside Wikipedia.

Note that I do not disagree that he is anti-semitic or anti-catholic. I note that it is not our place to call him such. This is an encyclopedia. I'm certain there must be plenty of sources out there, of newspapers and organizations which have reviled Chick's narrowminded attitude. Quote them. Don't insert original research. Kasreyn 23:42, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Sure thing!

An example of how the Internet has empowered extremists can be seen from the career of Jack Chick. A Californian, he achieved a modest degree of notoriety in the early-mid 1980’s, by producing a series of comic (and regular) books that, in the words of once scholar “illustrate the lingering force of this (anti-Catholic) hostility.”[75] The theme of the books was, in the words of another expert, “Maria Monk returned in 1984.”[76] Although the books sold fairly well, times had indeed changed and, as Mark Noll is quick to point out: “Protestants from very many backgrounds joined Catholic spokesmen in denouncing the books; the Christian Booksellers Association, which represented largely a conservative Protestant constituency, expressed its regret over the publications; and evangelical journalists contributed much of the hard information that exposed the comic books as fraudulent.”[77] Today however, Jack Chick maintains a Web site where the interested reader can read (or download) a complete copy of Chick’s 500 page book, Smokescreens, along with 35 other tracts. The list of products for purchase includes the tracts, available in English and in 60 other languages,[78] books, T-shirts, comic, posters, and videos. In his introduction to Smokescreens, Chick openly lays out his agenda: “Now we believe at Chick Publications, that the whore of Revelation is the Roman Catholic Institution… You see, the Jesuits influenced people, and they started setting up smokescreens (hence, the book’s title) during our times… and when that smokescreen came up we started the whore of Revelation in a different light… There has been a multi-million dollar campaign made through the media to convince people that I am a bigoted, anti-Catholic hate literature publisher… The truth is, I love the Catholic people enough to risk my life and my business… to pull them out of the false religious system they’re now serving.” The book’s chapter titles illustrate its obsessions: “A 20th Century Inquisition” (this refers to the Holocaust, which according to Chick, resulted because “the Jesuits had secretly prepared World War II, and Hitler’s war machine was built and financed by the Vatican to conquer the world for Roman Catholicism.)[79], “The Whore of Revelation” and concluding with “Blueprint for Catholic America,” which exposes “the Roman Catholic Institution’s plans to take over the United States.” Once that happens “when the Vatican take control of the United States , every pastor and his family will be shot in the head.”[80] Other books on Chick’s list include Dave Hunt’s, A Woman Rides the Beast, which “offers proof that the Roman Catholic Church is involved in Antichrists future empire, making it impossible for (Catholic and Protestant) to work together,” and a series about a 19th century “ex-Catholic priest” that includes proof “that it was the Jesuits who killed Lincoln and explains why.” Also included are the original comic books of 1980’s notoriety, the “Alberto” series. This series of six comics revels in all the familiar charges (i.e. Catholicism “cannot save,” no one can leave the Jesuits alive, “infiltration of Protestant organizations,” “the Vatican is using its occult force to deceive millions,” and how “the papacy fulfills Bible prophecies of the Antichrist."[81] Other targets of Chick include Islam, Freemasonry, and Judaism, which is portrayed in one comic (Where’s Rabbi Waxman) as incomplete and inadequate unless belief in Jesus is acknowledged.[82] This immense site demonstrates exactly how the old-style extremism can be easily updated and made even more accessible by the new technology.

-- "The Inverted Image: Antisemitism and Anti-Catholicism on the Internet" by Mark Weitzman at http://www.bc.edu/research/cjl/meta-elements/texts/cjrelations/resources/articles/weitzman.htm (The original article contains the references in brackets.) Chip Unicorn 00:11, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
Rock on, Chip. Be bold: add the cite to the article.  :) Kasreyn 00:29, 1 July 2006 (UTC)


I think we'll have to define the "antis" here. I removed him from the anti-Catholicism, -muslim and -Semitic categories because there's no evidence that he would HATE these groups simply because they are of their respective groups. Or has Chick somewhere said that he does not hate the Catholic church because it's the Whore of Babylon, but because of some innate quality that they have? And so on for Jews and Muslims... Until proof of similar statements can be made, it's incorrect to put him under these categories. Jack Daw 12:31, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Jack Daw, could you please define your notion of "hate" for us? Also, please give an example of a person you believe would BE "anti-Catholic." It seems to me thast the the very fact that he holds the Catholic church out as the "whore of babylon." Would earn him a place on the anti-Catholic list. I've been a Chick reader for many years, and the entire Alberto series reeks of anti-Catholicism. -- Murcielago 14:52, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
It's not relevant how I define hatred. What's relevant is, What is Chick against in these groups? Is Chick AGAINST Jews because 1) they're going to hell according to his theology, or 2) because they have some trait, of any nature, that would make them into "lesser" people? It is obviously the first, and so one would have to come up with a reason as to why believing that Jews would need a savior is anti-semitism. If I say to a person that he needs a million bucks to buy a private jet, does that mean I am anti middle class, AGAINST the middle class? No. Similarly, Chick is only saying that Jews need Jesus to attain heaven/salvation. Just to make sure my message is getting through, another example: If a hardcore materialist scorns at a person who believes happiness can be attained by non-material means, saying he is wrong and that he will never attain happiness, is the materialist AGAINST the other person? Of course not. Thus, Chick saying that a person will never attain heaven/salvation by any other means than faith in Christ is not the same as being against those persons. While he may be against the Catholic Church as an institution, as many people may be against the Bush admin, that doesn't mean one is against Catholics, or the Bush admin, as PERSONS. Jack Daw 18:53, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
Except that under your test, Chick is also lumping Catholics and Muslims under criterion 2): because they do not embrace his belief system they are "lesser" people. Proclaiming their eternal damnation, spreading falsehoods about what they believe, and directing that "true" Christians should not associate with them (see generally http://www.chick.com/reading/books/153/153cont.asp) is no different than saying they are "lesser people" because of their religion. Against my better judgment, I will run with your "middle class" analogy, Chick would say "you need a million bucks to buy a private jet, middle class people can't afford a private jet. Adolf Hitler was a tool of the middle class, the middle class are idolators, people who can afford a private jet should not associate with the middle class, and ultimately the middle class will burn for eternity in a fiery lake." Would that statement make you anti middle-class? Murcielago 19:05, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
I fail to see how proclaiming someone's eternal damnation because their views don't agree with one's own is saying a group of people is lesser. All he's saying is what the Bible plainly states, namely that all outside of Christ will go to hell, and he says Catholics, Muslims and Jews among others belong to this group of people. He's not saying they're worse than him, at least I've never read such a statement by him. As for disassociation with Catholics, I don't doubt that for a second, but again, that's just the Bible talking. Could you also be more specific on the link and provide the chapter where you got it from? Anyway, imo there's a big difference between not associating with people and thinking less of them. I think Chick and his fellow IFBs disassociate themselves from Catholics and anything else they consider ungodly for pretty much the same reasons I don't associate with criminals - I don't wanna get bad influences or get drawn into something corruptive - just as they consider Catholics (or rather Catholicism) et al to be. As for Your analogy, first of all that's quite amusing, thanks for the laugh! ;) Anyway, if a person made all those accusations/associations, knowing they were false, simply to discredit - in this case - the middle class, yes, that person would be anti middle-class. However, there's nothing that suggests that Chick doesn't believe what he says about Catholicism and other institutions. If he really believes WW2 was an agenda of the RCC for example - and there's no way of proving the opposite - I'd say he's gravely misinformed, rather than anti-Catholic. Jack Daw 21:26, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
"All he's saying is what the Bible plainly states, namely that all outside of Christ will go to hell". No. That is not what the Bible states, that is what the New Testament states, the New Testament being only part of the Bible, and the part least agreed on by people following the religions that the Bible started out as part of when it was just what we now call the Old Testament (that is, Jews, Muslims and Christians do follow the Old Testament, but only Christians follow the New Testament as written... though Muslims do believe Christ was a minor prophet, just not on the same level as Mohammed). Runa27 20:04, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
By that rationale, those Nazis that truly believed the Jews were out for world domination because they read it in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion were also "gravely misinformed" rather than anti-semitic, right? --Murcielago 21:48, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
I couldn't say, but to my recollection top nazis including Hitler supported their views by referring to some innate quality with the Jewish nation, blaming their very genetics for whatever they thought negative about the Jews. Jack Daw 22:26, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
Thanks, Jack. --Murcielago 03:41, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
I don't think that Chick is an anti-Semite, but he sure is anti-Catholic. It's a well-known fact. Aaрон Кинни (t) 12:38, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
He certainly is an anti-Semite, but he is it based on religion, not etnicity so Jews who have converted to Christianity (his type of Christianity anyway) would be OK with him. // Liftarn
That may be more true, but in that case he should be put under Anti-Judaism, if there is such a category. Jack Daw 13:09, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia defines Anti-Semitism as "hostility toward or prejudice against Jews as a religious, ethnic, or racial group, which can range from individual hatred to institutionalized, violent persecution." (emphasis added) Also see Anti-Judaism. // Liftarn
Mhm, and it also says, "...racial anti-Semitism became the dominant form of anti-Semitism from the late 19th century through today. Racial anti-Semitism replaced the hatred of Judaism as a religion with the idea that the Jews themselves were a racially distinct group, regardless of their religious practice, and that they were inferior or worthy of animosity." The common definition of anti-semitism is just that, rather than hostility against the religion. Your average reader who bumps into the Jack Chick article reading he's anti-semitic won't say to himself "oh so this man is against the Jewish religion". It is understood as the latter part of the above quote, which is not Chick's views on Jews. Regardless, I give up on this, so y'all can add him under the transgender and openly gay categories for all I care. Jack Daw 23:20, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps it would be more accurate to say that Jack Chick's against any non-Christian religion or belief system (as he defines a Christian belief system), which would include Catholics, Mulims, Mormons, Jews, and others. When you say "anti-Semitic", it implies being against the Jewish race. However, Jewish doesn't simply indicate a race of people, rather a history, culture and religion as well. So, to be more precise, one could say that Jack Chick is against the Jewish religion because he feels that because they reject Christ as Messiah, they're apostate, or something like that. Now, if someone's against the Jewish religion, does that necessarily make him against the Jewish race? Well, only if you assert that to be Jewish is to be a follower of Judaism. From what I've read, most Jews themselves don't have this exclusive a view. One can be a follower of virtually any faith and retain his "Jewishness". On the other hand, when it comes to Mormons, the argument could be made that he's anti-Mormon since being a Mormon necessitates practicing the Mormon religion and he believes Mormonism is not supported by the Bible.192.231.128.66 05:23, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

I do admit that anti-Semitism could technically include being against Judaism, however, when someone is accused of being anti-Semitic, it's generally understood to mean that the person holds negative views of the Jewish people themselves, based upon supposed racial "characteristics" (big nose, greedy, eating Christians, raping "Aryan" women, etc). This is why anti-Semitism is viewed with such disdain by most people. It's considered a form of racism, not as simply disagreeing with Judaism's teachings or practices.192.231.128.66 23:07, 13 September 2006 (UTC)


SOmetimes people let their own prejudices show through when they accuse others of prejudice. Chick is not an anti-semite for saying Jews who aren't Christians are going to hell, because he holds everyone on the face of earth who is not a Christian is going to hell. Disagreeing with Judaism is not anti-semitism, otherwise most of the world including most Jews are anti-semites. Chick even has a pamphlet called, "Love the Jews." http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1000/1000_01.asp 88.154.158.42 16:10, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Chis is an anti-Semite for saying Jews who aren't Christians are going to Hell. He's not an athnic anti-Semite, but a religions anti-Semite, i.e. Jews who convert to Christianity is OK with him. Disagreeing with Judaism is a form of anti-Semitism at least when it's on the level of disagreement that Jack Chick has. // Liftarn
Simply applying a belief that Chick holds for all people (non-belivers in Christ will go to hell) to a specific group or individual in an illustrative example does not make him Antisemitic, Anti-Islamic, Anti-Christian, etc. unless he shows hostility or prejudice towards the group in question also (e.g. see the definition of Anti-Semitisim). To be precise if inelegant, Chick is anti-non-fundamentalist. Since Chick does not single out Jews for his beliefs and did not make hostile statements against them (at least that are cited in the article), the Antisemitic level should not apply. Antonrojo 17:37, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
But Chick does single out Jews. I checked and it's still in the article. Look towards the end of the "Publications" section. He also has specific anti-Islam (for instance Allah Had No Son and The Pilgrimage) and anti-Buddhist tracts. // Liftarn
Are you referring to this? The crux of this tract, as stated above ("sometimes people...") is that Jews, like others who don't share Chick's fundamentalist beliefs, won't be allowed into heaven. To label someone Antisemitic, they need to show hostility or hatred towards Jews as a group and I don't see that here since his intolerance is intradenominational. He singles out Jews as he singles out people of any belief not his own--as an illustrative example. Antonrojo 02:37, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
We have evidence that Chick is hotile towards Jews as a group[20]. And he also singles them out as an example, but you are saying we can't call him anti-Semitic because he hates other groups too? Thats's utter nonsense. So if you hate group A and group B you don't hate group A? I don't quite agree with that kind of logic. So a nao-nazi who hates Jews, blacks and homosexuals isn't anti-Semitic? // Liftarn

(reset tab) I think it's important to define 'hatred' and 'hostility'. Many Christians and fundamentalists believe that it is their duty as part of their mission to bring Christianity to all non-believers. Whether the effects are positive or not, proselytizing is not hostility per se. The key ingredient is in the intention of the person doing it. Websters defines hostility as a "deep-seated usually mutual ill will" so an important ingredient is a very strong dislike towards a person or group. Warning people who (in your belief) are taking the wrong moral path does not qualify unless you insult them in the process, especially if you hold yourself to the same standard. Chick's tract is equivalent to a believer in reincarnation telling us we will live my next life as a lower form of life or be barred from nirvana unless we embrace her religion--annoying, yes, hostility or hatred, no. Antonrojo 02:40, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Please see the definition at Antisemitism:
  • Religious antisemitism, or anti-Judaism. As the name implies, it was the practice of Judaism itself that was the defining characteristic of the antisemitic attacks. Under this version of antisemitism, attacks would often stop if Jews stopped practising or changed their public faith.

This is the type of anti-Semitism that Jack Chick practices. Also (from Anti-Judaism) "Christian anti-Judaism is a Christian theological position denigrating Jewish belief and practice.". The Chick tract is indeed insulting and has been described as anti-Semitic. If you write and publish anti-Semitic cartoons I think it is enough to label a person anti-Semitic. // Liftarn

I understand your point that hostility towards Judaism can be anti-Semitism in some cases. This isn't one of those cases. Nearly every major religion believes that others who don't share their belief won't make it to heaven, will suffer eternal torment in the afterlife, aren't God's favored people in this life, etc. and that belief, in itself, is not hostility towards other religions but merely their perspective on how the world works.

That the tract in question is indeed insulting and has been described as anti-Semitic as you state is a claim that requires evidence. JoshuaZ gives a good example below of how to substantiate this type of claim, in his case the anti-Islam claim. A neutral description of a religion followed by the 'punchline' that their devout efforts don't pay off in the afterlife, whether in cartoon form or in the Bible, Koran, etc. is not in itself an insult towards other religions and is rather a strong incentive to believers. So stronger evidence is needed that is is an attack on Judaism, for example exactly how does Chick show the "hostility to the Jewish religion (Judaism) and those who practice it" required to label his work anti-Judaic? Also, who describes this tract as Anti-Semitic? (that Jewish groups or leaders have protested a work or statement as Anti-Semitic is a necessary but not sufficient condition for categorizing it as such, at least because their is often debate in that community).

Perhaps its a good moment to put this up for a straw poll in an attempt to test consensus since the issue has been discussed extensively. Antonrojo 15:29, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, there are sources that describe Chick as anti-Semitic. [21](expecially points 5 and 7) [22] [23] ("the only thing missing is explicit anti-semitism") [24] ("they are antisemitic as well") // Liftarn

[edit] Alleged Photo

Porky Pig put this link of an alleged photo of Jack Chick in the first paragraph of the article: Photo of Jack Chick (centre). Since he has been blocked indefinitely, I have removed this until it can be verified. Xamian 12:26, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

That is almost certainly not Jack Chick. Chick is highly reclusive with no recent photos in circulation. He is also 82 years old, much older than any of the men depicted. It is most likely someone's idea of a joke; Chick is unlikely to be found in a bar drinking Miller Lite. NTK 18:53, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Agreed. Given Porky Pig's behavior in other areas, I'd be hesitant to trust his word on such an image. We should just accept the fact that there are no photos of Chick available, and move on. Kasreyn 22:25, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
If you follow the link back to the source URL, you'll find that the picture is from a retirement party in Massachusetts. Rsm99833 22:31, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Does AstroScience exit?

I just noted that a google search for "astroscience corp" or ("astroscience corporation" -jack -chick) give zero results, and taking away the quotes from astroscience corporation seems to give only pages where astroscience and corporation are entirely unrelated. Is there any confirmation (beyond Chick's own statement) that such a corporation exists, or ever did exist? In El Monte, CA? 165.124.165.162 20:30, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Legal Notice

To whom it may concern:

We have recently become aware that your site at

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Chick

Contains confidential information concerning my client, Mr Chick. He requests that this site be taken down. On behalf of Mr. Chick, I need to ask you to remove this site before we are forced to file suite. Thank you for your cooperation.

Nicolaos Kodey Customer Service Chick Publications, Inc.

Um, good luck on that. I would recomend that next time, employ a spell checker, before posting false bully-tactics. Rsm99833 03:36, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
He has a point, an idiot of this sature does not desreve a wikipedia page, nor does he contribute to society or the world in a significant way. Therequiembellishere 07:11, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
Dear Nicolaos Kodey,
Thank you for your letter. I am, naturally, concerned about the content of this webpage. To best serve you, I would like to know the following information:
1. Which information, specifically, in the above website is 'confidential'?
2. Can you demonstrate that your client, Jack Chick, has requested that this information has requested that this information be made confidential? For example, if you claim that "Jack Chick's loves wearing red, silk, lacey underwear" is confidential, do you have a signed statement from Mr. Chick that says, "Please do not publish my love of wearing red, silk, lacey underwear."?
3. Please submit such a statement to Wikimedia Commons, so that we may link to it as our reason for not publishing, for example, Jack Chick's love of wearing red, silky, lacey underwear. Indeed, it is best that this statement include all information that Jack Chick prefer not be published in great detail, so that all of this article's editors can know precisely which topics to refrain from adding to the article.
Thank you for your time and effort!
-- Not representing Wikimedia, but tickled at the idea of combining Jack Chick and red, silk, lacey underwear.
Chip Unicorn

If you believe the contents of the article are libellous, please follow the instructions on WP:LIBEL. All information in Wikipedia articles is meant to be verifiable, which means anything we mention is already public knowledge. If you believe someone has added confidential information to this article that they found out through some private means, please let us know and it will be removed under our original research policy. If the information you wish to be removed is not libellous and is verifiable by any member of the public, then I do not think there is anything we can do to help you as Wikipedia is not censored. --Tango 15:53, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

I applied an edit here of needless profanity.Patrick19405 04:41, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Disclaimer in intro

I chopped the following from the intro, as it appears to be saying that information in the article is not verifiable or from reliable sources. If this is the case, the article needs to be changed (or sourced) rather than a disclaimer added.

Note: Much of the biographical and other information given here is simply that published on the Chick Publications website. There appear to be few or no independent interviews ever conducted with the man and few photographs taken of him. Chick Publications is, as the name suggests, primarily a publishing company specializing in Christian-oriented literature of Jack Chick. His current level of input to the day-to-day running of the company is not publicly known.

Ashmoo 01:20, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Anti-Islam

I think it's pretty obvious that Chick is anti-Muslim. Relevant citations would include [25] and [26] [27] [28]. At minimum this sources the claim that his detractors consider him to be anti-islamic and arguably sources the claim as a whole. JoshuaZ 02:52, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Removed Vandalism

I'm new to this... but just wanted to note that I removed some vandalism from this page. Don't know if there is someway to put the page on alert for such....

The strange thing was that when I went to edit the page, I could not see the inserted string of foul language. It just had some blank spaces. I simply it one back space, deleting the blank line. That did the trick... but I have no idea why! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.60.87.126 (talk) 03:08, 7 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Where is the vandalism hidden? I can't find the code!

Anybody? I mean, I tend to agree that Chick has serious issues, but vandalism isn't the way to address it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 211.203.191.170 (talk) 09:59, 7 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] New Jack Chick Picture?

While searching the internet, I found a picture of what, in all likehood, may be Jack Chick. Link follows: [29]--Nog64 20:17, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Right or left? -Will Beback · † · 20:41, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
I would think left--Nog64 02:59, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
Jimmy Akin talks about this new picture on his blog: [The Face of Chick? http://jimmyakin.typepad.com/defensor_fidei/2007/02/the_face_of_chi.html]Chadrack 15:34, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Well, I think we can ask the site for it, need be, and put "alledged recent photo of Chick" or something. If it is real, it's pretty valuble.--Nog64 01:09, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
Richard Dawkins is the man on the right. Since I don't think he'd appear in a picture with anybody holding a Jack Chick tract, let alone smile in it, the photograph is almost definitely a hoax. -- Augustgrahl 19:21, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ths page needs to be corrected and locked

I hold no brief for Chick, but come on. Does Wikipedia even *want* to be taken seriously?

I didn't bother to correct it because I don't like wasting my time.

67.185.114.32 04:56, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

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