Talk:Jack Bauer
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[edit] Inconsistent Subheadings
What I'm talking about is there is "Day One", "Day 2", "Day Three" and "Season 4". They need to be fixed so that there all consistent. They need to all be in "days" or "seasons" and the number should be the digit or the written out. But we should discuss if we should put in seasons or days. --AlexForche 03:16, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Why is Charles Logan not in the villains category in the character box
I think he's a pretty important villain, he should be there especially since Christopher Henderson and Graham are there. James Nathanson should aslo be included. All these characters were involved in the same plot.
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- While he's a villain, he's originally & primarily known as a politician. In his own article it shows how he's both the "Main Villain of Day 5" as well as "President of the United States".
[edit] Error
By the way, the sentence that is staring me in the face as I type, Wikipedia does not yet have a page called Jack Bauer, is sheer nonsense. It might read does not yet have a talk page on Jack Bauer or something along these lines. <KF> 19:39, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)
[edit] Palmer/Bauer relationship
- Jack's relationship with Senator / President Palmer is more complicated than is shown, at least from Palmer's perspective. During Day 1, Palmer, when finding out about Jack's involvement, was quite hostile to him during their first meeting. He believed Jack really was out to kill him due to the loss of his men during Operation: Nightfall. Jack told him that he blamed himself for the loss of the men. Eventually, Palmer came to believe Jack, and came to realize that Jack didn't want Palmer dead.
What they gained was some mutual respect. Jack respected Palmer as a senator and presidential candidate, as well as a President who had ethics. Palmer, for his part, realized Jack was a professional doing job that was sometimes dirty, and as a result of Day 1 regarded his instincts as strong. When Day 2 came, it was Palmer who got Jack to at least listen to the pleas for his help, and at least contact CTU.
During season 2 Jack had a death wish, but along with it, he didn't want to throw his life away needlessly. Estranged from his daughter and with a dead wife, Jack didn't care to live anymore. It did elevate him to the ruthlessness need to murder somebody to gain a quick cover, but he twice was willing to trade his life to hel p the country. He told Palmer to warrent his murder at the hands of Nina Myers when it was her price for co-operation, and then was going to die crashing the plane carrying the nuke himself.
I think an assessment of Jack is that he will do what it takes to get the desired result. He's killed a lot of people (but, referencing Arnold in True Lies, they were all bad). He's probably an ISTJ on myer-briggs.
[edit] spoiler
I don't think a full synopsis of the whole second season should be given, seeing how the first season got not much more than a paragraph mention. it'd take too long, and would spoil the ending for those who plan on renting, buying, or otherwise viewing the second season on DVD
Please, edit the article with spoiler warnings!!! i just read a crucial part of the 5th season i haven't seen yet. Damn...
193.198.134.117 02:58, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Director -> Special Agent in Charge
look at Jack's profile at the official 24 website(http://www.fox.com/24/profiles/), it states: "Former Special Agent in Charge", not Director of CTU. This includes George Mason, Tony Almeida and the others who held the position.
Special Agent in Charge and Director are two interchangeable titles in this case.
Then both should be mentioned, as Special Agent in Charge is the formal job title.
In 24: The Official Companion, Seasons 1 & 2, it even states in black and white that Jack was the Special Agent in Charge during Season 1. Cubs Fan 17:55, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
The Director of CTU and Special Agent in Charge are the same thing...
Poppa Yami 21:05, 20 December 2006 (UTC)Poppa Yami
[edit] Sen Palmer
I corrected "former Pres"; he wasn't, yet. In fact, as I recall, he was running for Pres in Season 1. Trekphiler 09:49, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Trivia
Impress your friends by knowing Jack's access number was 4393. (Impress them less by saying it was 4958, Vince Terranova's agent #.) Trekphiler 09:54, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
In the Movie Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang Best Boy credits are given to Jack Bauer reason I meantion it the movie breaks the froth wall and one of the charecters says if you wonder who best boy is its someones cousin. I dont know if its very trivial but hey why not.JvlivsCaesar
[edit] Jack's background
I'm putting the information "While there, he was the Team Leader for Operation Proteus and the Section Captain for the Hotel Los Angeles attack" back into the article. It should be in there because it's a part of his official profile. And we already have other info from that profile in the article, so this is no reason not to include it. -- OldRightist 16:54, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Audrey Raines's marital status
In the summary of Season 4, Paul Raines is identified as Audrey's ex-husband; I believe "estranged husband" is more accurate (they were still debating divorce/reconcilliation).
[edit] Wording
I have to confess to being shocked by the wording of the article. Sentences like
- "Jack then eliminates him in retribution for slaying Palmer."
Why not "Jack then slays him in retribution for eliminating Palmer." ? Cld we not make it "Jack then executes him in vengeance for killing Palmer", or something less evidently favourable to this Bauer person ? Rama 19:45, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] China still after Jack?
has anyone else noticed that the Chinese have mysteriously forgotten about Jack? At the end of the fourth season Jack had to fake his death to stay away from the Chinese and now, even with the revelation that he is still alive, China seems not to care about him. You would think that China would ask for Jack and would get mad at the U.S. for hiding him. Should it be noted as odd that this hasn't happened yet?
P.S. I have taken into account that not many people are aware of Jack being alive yet. --JoeBlowfromKokomo 23:15, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
Jack's status is not public knowledge. This would have to be true, as he told President Logan that after the crisis was averted, he would disappear again. If his status were public knowledge, this would be useless. Jaguar84 04:57, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
Plus, (at the time of writing this) there is still a lot of Season 5 to roll out. You never know what might happen.. --Sionide 23:40, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
- With season 5 over, we now know the answer to this question. ;) --209.92.182.76 13:51, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Confuse Box
I believe that put the jobs held by Jack Bauer with the respective season when they were held made the infobox too much confuse, with too many information. Is better made the infobox less especific, more general, just with the jobs held (and without the season). --Rockdolly 13 April 2006 21:41
[edit] A Concern
I think that Jack's Return is turning more into a summary of season 5, instead of a summary of Jack Bauer, like the other sections are. Like the Day 5 article cover the events of Day 5, and let Jack's Return cover the emotional and psychological impact Jack being alive has on everybody else. Just a thought. Tim 20:26, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] YES!
- Exactly. The summary of Day 5 is no doubt adding a lot of data to the 32kb warning. The section should be merged into the Day 5 article, and I will add a template proposing that. 70.243.142.175 22:03, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
I agree. It's definately overkill on the details. Now that the season's over completely, we can shorten the description and leave out the times given.
[edit] Jobs Held?
I find the "Jobs Held" entry of character infobox quesionable. Jack Bauer, Christopher Henderson, James Heller, and Nina Myers all have detailed pre-series history (though in some cases only availble on the official site bios, not mentioned on the show) but for characters like Kate Warner, Keith Palmer, and Vladimir Bierko, this entry seems kind of pointless and redundant.
[edit] Going to fix up Season 5
Really, now it's just a summary of the season.--Jasonflare 01:28, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Political views
Does anyone know what Jack Bauer's political views are? This, along with some other facts would help shape the basic picture of Jack.
Nope, he only serves his country, Democratic or Replublican. --Jasonflare 05:03, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
hes probalby very pro-patriot act... very utilitarianist, he justifies civil liberties violations with the protection of national security... hes probalby pro- patriot act
[edit] Jack Is Dead Photo
The photo of Chloe and Edgar that Buchanan gave to Chloe at the end of Season 5 has "Jack is Dead" written on it backwards. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v695/abcampa/jackisdead.jpg
- I have a somewhat better pic here: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v44/quicksilver1703/jackisdead.jpg Jondy 03:34, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
I think that says: Is Jack Dead? It also has the phrase: fan phone above it. Joelon 8:43 P.M May 29 2006
- I think it's just because Jack has been 'dead' for 18 months before Day 5. Buchanan or Edgar, depending on who owned the photo before Bill gave it to Chloe, could have wrote "Jack is dead" for whatever reason on the closest thing, which just happened to be that photo. Tim 00:43, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Wrong Backgroud
My objection is that, if I didn't miss anything in seasons 1 and 2, the career path described in the wage is erroneous. The stuff on the page is most likely wrong because one can only enters Delta by being a senior NCO in the army. If the wiki writer's claim is true, then Jack Bauer would need to get a univ. education, train for LAPD SWAT, volunteers an army career and STARTS FROM BUCK PRIVATE before becoming a Delta member. This is implausible because the physical and mental demands of being in a boot camp with 18-19 year olds, the army's low pay grade for a buck private, and being selected for Delta as a man pass his thirties (very old by army standards)! More likely is that Jack Bauer enters the military, becomes selected for Delta, retired, gets his education, THEN becomes involved with CIA, LAPD and CTU. This is also a more typical career path for former military personel.
no its not, thats a stupid statement there is no set career plan for joining the army a large number of people join the army after they have completed there education.
- Completing a university education would require him to be about his early twenties once he volunteers for the military; then, getting into LAPD SWAT would require a few more years. This means that he would be in his mid-to-late twenties by the time he volunteers for the military, starts off at private, and then works his way into Delta Force by his mid-thirties. Rather implausible, even for Jack Bauer. Peptuck 15:29, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
How is this implausable???? im no expert on the army, but lets say jack joined the army after university at age 22 he spends maximum 4-5 years as a solidier then joins delta at age 27 he spends again maximum 4 years in delta he's out at age 31 joins the police, 2 years then gets option to join SWAT, gains entry, 4 years in SWAT, out at the age of 35 then from there on to the CIA then CTU, dont forget jacks character is meant to be in his early 40s he's no spring chicken.
[edit] This page needs cleanup
The Jack Bauer page here on Wikipedia is turning into a summary of the entire 24 franchise instead of a summary of Jack Bauer. This article needs major cleanup. It is WAY too long. I cut it down majorly once before, but someone has added everything back again. If you ask me, we need to take out all of the sections on this page pertaining to days 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and the game. All they are are summaries of 24 which can easily be found on other pages of this site. Does anyone else agree with me?
- Agree completely. There are episode summaries and links to the 24 wikicities. 24 wikicities is the place for absolute details, not a general interest encyclopedia like Wikipedia. — Deckiller 04:45, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
LOL! IT'S A TELEVISION SHOW!
[edit] The art of Jack Bauer
It appears jackbauer.org is hold by an artist of the same name, who did exhibitions in Wien, New York and Berlin? Notable or disamb? 195.70.32.136 13:10, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Paragraph cut
Its totally unsourced, it is original research, and soon we should try to have all the content in this article sourced. Judgesurreal777 17:05, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
Wait, what? How can you say that when in the next paragraph they say that he's a firm believer by the mantra "the end justifies the means"? He has never stated that. That's an assumption made by viewers. Order_66
- Your exactly right, he doesn't. That whole section needs to be either sourced or removed, so I'm chopping it down to what I think can be sourced, then I'll try to expand it back out again. Judgesurreal777 17:53, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
- How about this, just leave it for now. The whole thing doesn't need to be sourced. Soemtimes you have to take a few gambles. All of this info, however, is relevant to Jack Bauer. As long as they reference what they're telling us, or provide exampels, than it's fine. is that fair?
Order_66
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- Sounds fair, we'll leave it and try to find some references for it :) Judgesurreal777 17:58, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Name
Jack Bauer could be said to be redundant; "der Bauer" in German could be translated as "jack" (in the sense of a peasant.) Spazlink 19:54, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] GA failed
- 1. Well written? Fail
- 2. Factually accurate? Pass
- 3. Broad in coverage? Fail
- 4. Neutral point of view? Pass
- 5. Article stability? Pass
- 6. Images? Pass
Additional comments :
- The article doesn't comform with writing about fiction, especially the Appearances section.
- It might not be broad enough, missing a reception section, a filming section.
- It also lacks reference wise.
Lincher 00:11, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Revert War
What is the deal with this sentence? "Bauer is the widower of Teri Bauer and father of Kim Bauer." It's been going back and forth. I don't watch 24. I'm only watchlisting this article because it suffers periodic vandalism. Could someone who watches the show please rewrite or reposition this sentence so everybody will like it? Could Jack's familial ties really be up for such disagreement? Thanks, Noit 20:07, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
- It's been pointed out that this line is a plot spoiler. I think we can agreee to keep such information inside the spoiler tags. Especially for a series that relies on suspense. Noit 21:23, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
Ha! First of all, I'm a huge fan!! Secondly, that sentence is only a spoiler if you haven't seen Season 3, where Nina kills her.
Glad to help,Tini 8 20:28, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] http://www.twentyfour.tv/jackbauer/index.php
That site has no reason to be connected with the show. The majority of the "facts" are just false.
[edit] Brother
In the recent CNN Special with Kiefer Sutherland, towards the end he explains there will be a storyline involving his brother and father. Why isn't the brother on the front page? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.224.143.85 (talk) 17:33, 11 January 2007 (UTC).
Kiefer meant Jack's brother and father-Kiefer's dad was busy shooting a movie at the time. Tini 8 20:37, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Missing: Bauers darker sides
The description of the personality and psychology of Jack Bauer is too one-sided. Bauer does not always do what’s right even though many of his extreme actions that in retrospect proved to be right gives that impression. What I miss is an analysis of his cold-blooded killings of Nina Bauer in season 3 and of Christopher Henderson in the end of season 5. These killings were pure personal revenge and had no rational logic to them. (I also guess that the sailor who witnessed the season 5 killing will be used in season 6 for some purpose.) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by MaxPont (talk • contribs) 11:16, 12 January 2007 (UTC).
-- I completely disagree with this statement. Christopher Henderson and Nina Myers both deserved their deaths. They took many, innocent lives just for the cost of covering up their corruption/involvement and other selfish reasons. Jack was justified in doing what he did, because justice would have never been served under the U.S. judicial court system.
-- I think you mean Nina Myers.
[edit] Birthday
Has there been a confirmed date on when Jack's birthday is? Darrik2 01:06, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Significance of name
I have removed this paragraph because it does not cite any sources and appears to my eyes to be entirely original research. A quick & dirty google revealed a few unreliable sources speculating about it, but absolutely nothing verifiable. If you can provide and cite sources, please feel free to restore the text. Thanks, —bbatsell ¿? 07:31, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
- Explain to me how someone is supposed to cite a coincidence like Jack Bauer's name coincides with the highest card in the game Euchre? It's true and verifiable. What's the problem? JakeZ 23:26, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
- It might be worth mentioning that Euchre is played with a 24-card deck.
[edit] Status as a Villain
I heard through many sources that Jack Bauer is indeed the main villain of 24. The real heroes of the show are the freedom fighters, who constantly are at war with the evil power hungry CTU. They attack CTU offices and kill agents with no remorse who have killed numerous innocent lives. I think the "villians" and the "heroes" should be switched. OfficerPhil 02:50, 14 March 2007 (UTC) I wouldnt call a terrorist who drops a nuclear weapon on a city, a freedom fighter. Its called genocide. LordHarris 00:42, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
- Looking at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/OfficerPhil , I am certain we can safely say he is primarily a vandal, with few productive edits, and may be ignored as a crackpot. Chris 05:59, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Jack's Gun
Does anyone know what gun Jack carries? C0N6R355 17:49, 20 March 2007 (UTC) Never mind: the answer is: during days 1 & 2 it was a SIG P228. During days 3,4,5 & 6 it was a Heckler & Koch USP Compact. C0N6R355 17:48, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
