Talk:Ivorian Civil War

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Contents 1 Early discussion 2 Article Title 3 Catalyst for the conflict 4 Mysterious sentence 5 ONUCI vs UNOCI 6 POV 7 Bulgaria ?

[edit] Early discussion

The description of the event of September 19, 2002 is 100% Gbabo's version. Ericd 23:32, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

care to add another one? Ungtss 23:36, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I've removed :

"France considered the uprising a humiliation. The north is desert, whereas the south is richer, fertile and coastal; with ethnic and religious differences."

It's not obvious that France considered the uprising as humiliation. There's some reason to believe that France (with Burkina Faso) supported the rebels. Why ? Because without the uprising, the policy of the Ivorian governement could have led to a massive exode from northern populations to Burkina Faso. And the north of Côte d'Ivoire is by no way a desert, the Sahel beguin in Burkina Faso around 500 km away in the North of the Ivorian border. Ericd 14:06, 16 May 2005 (UTC) I am french and I do not considered the uprising as humiliation because it is a normal part of the self decision process. Kévin, 22 sept 2006

Gerrit 3/7/05> Hi, I'm by no means an expert but read up on this and the statement "French forces: troops sent within the framework of Operation Unicorn and under UN mandate (ONUCI), 3000 men in February 2003 and 4600 in November 2004;" seems misleading after reading this: http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/ivory/2004/0624analyze.htm It appears the French were already there and "support" the UN operation but have a separate command structure: "Both the ECOWAS and French forces have been, as a result, subsumed under the UN mandate, although the French still maintain an independent command structure, and officially pledged only to playing a supporting role to the UN."

Here are photos (WARNING: graphic images, corpses etc.) photos taken by a French Foreign Legionnaire of the results of ethnic cleansing. I'm trying to contact the soldier about copyright issues, though we can probably claim fair use. On the other hand, I hesitate about using such material... David.Monniaux 20:45, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Article Title

The usual name of these Civil War articles is <country_name> Civil War. This is the only one of the format Civil war in <country_name>. Any objections if I move this article to Côte d'Ivoire Civil War and readjust the incoming links? Caerwine 17:18, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

Having seen no objections, I'm going ahead with the name change. Caerwine 20:48, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Catalyst for the conflict

Two issues here: the requirement that both parents be of Ivorian descent was a constitutional clause, hence I think that the word 'law' is inappropriate, as it can be defined too broadly, and secondly I think it is better English to say "catalyst of the conflict", but I'll get opinions before changing anything.--Xiphon 19:45, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

Actually, there are a number of places (i.e. 'troops from mutinied and gained control ') where the phrases could use some work, preferably by someone who understands the details of the article. PerlKnitter 15:35, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

One BIG Issue: both the parents of Ouattara are Burkinabè, so there's at least a mistake citing the fact that Gbabò decision of not letting him run for president was the catalyst for the conflict. --dragone26 13:30, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

In fact, a great deal of the disagreement is whether or not both of Ouattara's parents are Burkinabé. He claims, and has produced a fair amount of evidence to support his assertion, that documents (birth records etc) were falsified to make it appear that this was the case. At one point the government actually produced a marriage license which they claimed showed that Ouattara had married in the USA; not realizing that such documents are easily inspected by anyone via a Freedom of Information Act request. The falsification was quickly exposed and discredited.

The difficulty in all this is that none of these countries existed even at the time that Ouattarra himself was born, much less his parents. Assigning citizenship to inhabitents ex post facto (after the countries were carved up for independence out of French West Africa) is problematic, to say the least. Moreso when one considers that birth records (including dates of birth) were not well-kept seventy years ago, and you have the situation at present. Alan J Shea 04:55, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

So I'm not the only one who thinks that? Anyway this for me, should be one of the reasons to put a big POV Check on the entire civil war section, aside from the fact that the war is still going on. I did that yesterday but it was removed and I'm still waiting a reason for that.--dragone26 07:40, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

The literature at the end descripes and analyses the conflict very well. It's unfourtanaltly in german. --134.147.116.153 09:58, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mysterious sentence

The bills envisaged in the process were blocked by the FPI with the French National Assembly.

What is that supposed to mean? Where's the beef with the French National Assembly? David.Monniaux 21:12, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] ONUCI vs UNOCI

ONUCI, the French acronym for "Opération des Nations Unies en Cote d'Ivoire" is the term generally used for the UN Peace-keeping operation in Cote d'Ivoire. Although neither the BBC nor the UN themselves are consistent in usage, even in English-language articles.

UNOCI is the English acronym for "United Nations Operation in Cote d'Ivoire".

If you were to visit Cote d'Ivoire you would see that all the vehicles are painted with "ONUCI" on them, and English-speakers in neighboring Liberia and Ghana both refer to "ONUCI". Alan J Shea 01:01, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] POV

This is mostly a cleanup issue, as I think most problems would be taken care of by some good copy editors, but this article is heavily slanted in various ways. May need a complete breakdown and re-write. --198.185.18.207 15:19, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bulgaria ?

In the article there is claim that Bulgaria participate in the war, but I think this is an error. Maybe there should be Belarus instead?