Talk:Ivan Alexander of Bulgaria

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Contents 1 Vassals Dobrotitsa and Vladislav of Wallachia? 2 Family 3 Transliteration 4 Ivan Alexander's daughter 5 Applause

[edit] Vassals Dobrotitsa and Vladislav of Wallachia?

is there any source that mention either as vassal of Ivan Alexander? Cause in Fine's Late Medieval Balkans, mentioned as source, says nothing about it. Moreover there is said that Balik, the predecessor of Dobrotitsa, defected Ivan Alexander in the 1340's, and to further assert his independence from Trnovo, Dobrotitsa separated his church from that of Trnovo (page 367) Anonimu 21:01, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi! I'd suggest referring to User:Imladjov, he wrote the article and is a noted expert with regard to the period. Todor→Bozhinov 17:29, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Family

I've made the family section into a sidebox, but I must ask why you don't just add the extra information into the Infobox. Dealing pleasantly with basic facts is their purpose, after all. Adam Cuerden ^talk 02:01, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Transliteration

I'm not sure what is standard for Bulgarian, but isn't 'ъ' usually transliterated 'ă' and not 'ǎ' (e.g. breve, not hachek)? - Francis Tyers · 23:57, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, I just checked romanisation of Bulgarian, and evidently the UN uses 'ǎ', so fair enough I guess. - Francis Tyers · 00:03, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, if the UN really says it's a hachek, then everything should be OK. I hadn't checked, to be honest, I thought that if ž, č, š all use a hachek, then it should be a hachek for ъ too :) User:Imladjov, who wrote most of the article actually and chose to use the scholarly transliteration system, had already used ǎ, if I remember correctly. But it's not a major issue really... on this monitor I barely see the difference :D Todor→Bozhinov 12:07, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

I just took another look at the map, and it confirmed my suspicions that you're using 'ă' in the map, and 'ǎ' in the text. This isn't a big issue, but it would be nice to use the same standard within the same article. - Francis Tyers · 11:35, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Please check if everything's OK now. I got a bit confused by those diacritics, but I hope I've done everything right. I had to manually substitute breves with haceks in the map because the two fonts had no "ǎ" (or at least I couldn't find it in CorelDRAW). Todor→Bozhinov 13:42, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Looks ok now. - Francis Tyers · 15:46, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ivan Alexander's daughter

It's very naive to think there might be anything wrong with the family tree of Ivan Alexander. This is a featured article, so everything has been checked and reliable sources have been provided. In this case, these are Božilov, Ivan; Vasil Gjuzelev (2006). Istorija na srednovekovna Bǎlgarija VII-XIV vek (tom 1) (in Bulgarian). Anubis. ISBN 9544262040.  and Božilov, Familijata na Asenevci, pp. 192-235. If you have anything to say about Ivan Alexander's family tree, then please refer to the Bulgarian academic community, and stop doing these ungrounded changes to the article. Todor→Bozhinov 08:19, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I am providing you with a primary source. If you do not know what is primary source look it up. This is a family portrait of Ivan Alexander. This "picture" as you call it was made during his reign and it was kept at the royal library at Tsarevets. It illustrates Ivan Alexander with his second wife and their children. It is currently kept at the British Library. There is no better source then that. And yet you have not provided me with your source. On what are based your changes?

I fail to see how a portrait can be a source in that case, and it is not an academic reference in any case. I have provided enough references, so I consider this discussion over, and I will treat it as vandalism from now on. I don't think you have to explain to me what the Tetraevangelia of Ivan Alexander is and where it is kept, really. Todor→Bozhinov 07:35, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Applause

Apologies if this is a total waste of kb, but I just wanted to say what a fantastically useful article this is, and congratulations on the main page. --Javits2000 10:53, 30 March 2007 (UTC)