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[edit] Official languages of IOM?

The page claims that English and Manx are the official languages of IOM. Does anyone have a credible source to support this? I have looked on the linked pages and found nothing. Anyone?

https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/im.html Happy now? Manxruler 00:22, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Irish sea offensive?

That's the first I've heard that Manx people find the term Irish Sea 'offensive'. I've never met anyone who actually cares what it's called outside of Mec Vannin. I wager only a tiny proportion of the Manx population find the term 'Irish Sea' offensive.

Ali0th 10:07, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

LOL Yeah but I'm sure if you get some of Mec Vannin logged on to wikipedia they'll see that the issue is given due weight :) --feline1 10:20, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I'm Manx and I agree that it's often considered offensive. Any reference to Britain is an insult. Xania 23:23, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

But it IS called the Irish Sea by the Manx, English, Scots and Irish. To keep to actual facts, the sentence suggesting there may be some dispute should be remoced as it serves no purpose here. If there is an issue, someone should start a separate article on it. Emeraude 17:55, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rendering Bug on Page

The first three sections, Geography, People, and Culture, are rendered without their corresponding [edit] links on the same line. Instead, these links appear on the first line under the {{Infobox_country}} box. I assume it's a problem with the template, and will try to discuss it with the appropriate party there, but I am making the note here, as well. -- Eliyahu S Talk 13:49, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Further testnig shows that this is a platform-dependent bug. It occurs in Firefox 1.5.0.6 and Safari 2.0.3 on Mac OS X 10.4.7 but not in IE 6 on Win XP. -- Eliyahu S Talk 14:52, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] External Links

I've added an extra forum link. If anyone else has links then please add them. Someone keeps removing links claiming that Wikipedia doesn't allow them but this is bollocks. Just keep adding them. Xania 22:14, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

In addition please beware of a Wiki member Dabbler who keeps reverting edits and spamming my user talk page. I'm thinking of complaining about him. Xania 19:27, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Xania, our rules do not allow forums. They are not acceptable as external links I'm afriad. Please take a look at this, this and this. If they keep being added it may lead to a block due to disruptive editing.-Localzuk(talk) 19:57, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Your links provide no detail and nothing specific. Your talk page also lists your politics as anarchism so explain why Wikipedia is happy to promote commercial organizations like Manx Radio and not non-profit organizations. What you are saying is just bollocks. It may be Wiki policy but we all know that most of Wiki policy is decided by geeks like yourself in their pursuit of alienating ordinary users. So yes, I'll keep adding the links (and other information as well). Then I'll add them using other user names, anonymous proxy servers until finally you give it a break. OK? Xania 23:28, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] it is the largest island off the coast of England

Is IoM off the coast of England? It could be argued it is off the coast of Scotland easily. Also, wouldn't Ireland be the largest island off the coast of England? 82.9.199.243 16:17, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Just to note, this sentence was removed from the article today as being 'vague and possibly dubious':
With an area of 221 square miles, it is the largest island off the coast of England.
Seems to me to be true from a common-sense point of view, but there are obvious difficulties with the definition of what is and is not 'off the coast of England'. Crebbin 00:08, 19 November 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Probable nonsense - Juan of Ronague

I removed the following because I suspect its a joke unless someone can provide proper references for it.

In recent years there has been a resurgence of interest in Juan of Ronague, Saint of Mann. Juan (a popular Manx name, pronounced Jewan) was born c.685 AD in Ronague and martyred in 803 AD fighting Vikings that had razed Peel Castle. As was the norm in Celtic times he was recognised as a Saint during his lifetime.

St Juan is traditionally associated with the little people, indeed it is said they brought him up. The legends of St Juan are chronicled in the book "Juan of Ronague, Saint of Mann", which tells of his early years, his battles with the Buggane, and his travels to Ireland and Iceland. His fellow travellers were Ned Cashin, St Breeshey, and Figol a talking ferret. The book was published in 2005, by the St Juan Foundation.

Every year on the 8th March (the anniversary of Juan's death) it is said that members of the Foundation, along with the secretive "Knights of the High Corracle of St Juan" meet at an undisclosed inn and eat, drink, and be merry, whilst recounting some of Juan's tales of daring-do.

[edit] British Isles?

Many of us find the term "British Isles" inaccurate, outdated and somewhat offensive. I feel it has little place in a neutral article and I feel it's use should be avoided. I have removed it previously from this article and while I don't want to start and edit war I feel we should agree to omit from this article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.100.243.22 (talk) 01:57, 19 November 2006

Please place new comments at the bottom of the page, and also it is appropriate to sign your post by typing four tildes like this ~~~~, it signs and dates your post with your user name.
Secondly I strongly disagree with your point of view about the words British Isles, I consider it a geographical and a neutral term which has a perfectly good reason for its use in this article. So now we both have a point of view about the neutrality of the term.
Let us try for a compromise, if you can find a two word name with a full Wikipedia article for the archipelago off north west Europe consisting of the two large islands of Great Britain and Ireland with all the other ones around them, then please suggest it. You may also wish to review British Isles to see exactly how offensive the term really is. Dabbler 03:11, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
Agree with Dabbler. British Isles, to me, is a neutral geographical term describing a paricular group of islands in north-west Europe. Some Irish people presumably object to it because of the way British is generally used to refer to things of the United Kingdom. But I can't see how that argument extends to the Isle of Man. It is a crown dependency after all: British (in the United Kingdom sense) is probably quite apt.
British Islands has been suggested as an alternative, but it's not commonly used and I can't see how it could be any less 'offensive' than British Isles. IONA is another possibility, but again isn't widely known (to say the least). Crebbin 14:01, 19 November 2006 (UTC).

The fact that some may choose to find the term British Isles offensive has no bearing on the fact that the British Isles is what the British Isles are known as. siarach 14:11, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Exactly. I am pretty sure that the Lieutenant Governer of the Island uses the term 'British Isles' and remember a bit of a stir where the IOM creameries had put 'United Kingdom' on their address and were asked to change it to 'British Isles' by him.
The term is a geographical term used to describe the group of islands in NW Europe. We do not want to get into the same silly argument that has occurred on the Ireland article about this.-Localzuk(talk) 15:06, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Places of Interest?

87.254.86.254 11:07, 23 November 2006 (UTC) Suggestion, should we add a Places of Interest Section to the Isle of Man Page? Something Similar to the page for Cornwall?

[edit] Vandalism

someone wrote gaaayboooy and when I try edit the page, I can't delete it. someone help!


Its just lag in the Wikipedia server - it'll catch up in a few minutes Mammal4 16:47, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] TT?

What are TT fans and the TT festival? --AW 18:45, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

It is mentioned later in the article under the sport section but it is the Isle of Man TT which is a motorbike road racing event. I have added a wikilink to the food and drink section now.-Localzuk(talk) 18:54, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Location maps available for infoboxes of European countries

On the WikiProject Countries talk page, the section Location Maps for European countries had shown new maps created by David Liuzzo, that are available for the countries of the European continent, and for countries of the European Union exist in two versions. From November 16, 2006 till January 31, 2007, a poll had tried to find a consensus for usage of 'old' or of which and where 'new' version maps. Please note that since January 1, 2007 all new maps became updated by David Liuzzo (including a world locator, enlarged cut-out for small countries) and as of February 4, 2007 the restricted licence that had jeopardized their availability on Wikimedia Commons, became more free. At its closing, 25 people had spoken in favor of either of the two presented usages of new versions but neither version had reached a consensus (12 and 13), and 18 had preferred old maps.
As this outcome cannot justify reverting of new maps that had become used for some countries, seconds before February 5, 2007 a survey started that will be closed soon at February 20, 2007 23:59:59. It should establish two things: Please read the discussion (also in other sections α, β, γ, δ, ε, ζ, η, θ) and in particular the arguments offered by the forementioned poll, while realizing some comments to have been made prior to updating the maps, and all prior to modifying the licences, before carefully reading the presentation of the currently open survey. You are invited to only then finally make up your mind and vote for only one option.
There mustnot be 'oppose' votes; if none of the options would be appreciated, you could vote for the option you might with some effort find least difficult to live with - rather like elections only allowing to vote for one of several candidates. Obviously, you are most welcome to leave a brief argumentation with your vote. Kind regards. — SomeHuman 19 Feb 2007 00:26 (UTC)

[edit] Isle of Man Motto

Just wondering as to whether the motto "Whithersoever you throw it, it will stand" refers to the Irish myth to its origins
Gcrossan 00:34, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

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