Talk:Islamic view of Abraham

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The quote: "Also, unlike Jewish belief, Muslims note that nowhere in the Qur'an does God say that it was He who told Ibrahim to sacrifice his son nor does God say He gave Ibrahim the dream of the sacrifice. The Qur'an teaches that God never advocates evil. Thus, it is said that for a father to slaughter his son, is an evil that cannot be coming from God; it can only come from Satan. Furthermore, Muslims state that God would not contradict Himself and, therefore, would not order Ibrahim to commit what he prohibited, even as a test. Since Ibrahim thought the dream was from God and he proceeded to sacrifice his son Ismail, God sent him the lamb to be sacrificed instead, and to save Ismail and the father-son sacred relationship. Furthermore, Muslims believe that God promised to protect His righteous believers from Satan's tricks, and he saved Ibrahim and his son, Ismail, from this exact test." is totally untrue. It is against traditional Muslim's sources. --Islami 02:27, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Abraham in Islam

This article ought be retitled "Abraham in Islam", with a prominent link back to the Abraham article across the top.

Along with reconciling it to the standards of an English-language article, it would bring in a broader mix of editors, and help curb POV biases. Also, this article could benefit from more copy editting; more traffic can only help the situation.Timothy Usher 07:42, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

I think the mitigating phrase is "Islam regards..." Ibrahim as essentially a Muslim. Tom Harrison ^Talk 15:35, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Being a Hanif does not make one "essentially a Muslim", because to accept that "There is no god but God" - as do I - is not enough to be considered Muslim. One must also accept that "Muhammad is the messenger of God." Abraham was never asked this question, making this instance of putative Muslimhood an unsubstantiated POV argument in a way the previous sentence was not.

"Ibrahim is regarded..." is somewhat mitigating, but only somewhat.

I've added the Hanif link - this is a good place to talk about whether Hanifs were Muslims or not.Timothy Usher 20:54, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

I agree. This article should be renamed Abraham in Islam or Abraham (Quran) just as we have Abraham (Hebrew Bible). —Aiden 18:47, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

I dont support the notion of "<Arabic name>" is somehow a good name for the "Islamic view of x". "Ibrahim " is also the Arabic Jewish and Arabic Christian names for the same person, Muslims dont own the name. The correct tittle for this article is Islamic view of Abraham, both articles reffer to the same historical person, only difference being that this article is focusing on the Islamic view. There are no solid arguements for naming this article after the Arabic version of the name. This should not be named "Abraham in Islam/Qur'an", since "in Qur'an" exludes hadith literature and its not about him in islam, rather, how Islam views him. It also makes more sese to follow the naming convention of Islamic view of Jesus, Jewish view of Jesus and Christian views of Jesus --Striver 07:51, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merge, not rename/move

While that would clear out some of the confusion, It is better to merge this page with Abraham,and discuss the naming convention in different religions under a specific headline.

I don't agree as long as we have Abraham (Hebrew Bible). Further, the view is prominent enough to have its own article, and mind you, we havent even included hadith literature. --Striver 09:20, 11 June 2006 (UTC)