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I can't believe how small this page was. I have overhauled its format and fleshed it out, although it probably needs editting, and more images could be added. I'm going to continue to work on it, but if anyone wants to help (especially in countering the positive bias I have), they're more than welcome- Scimitar

• I've tinkered with it a bit more, putting in a new section, although I'm not really comfortable with the title (attitudes). Perhaps something a little more appropriate could replace that title. Scimitar 16:32, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

The majority of information on this page has been taken from Ferdinand Brock Tupper's book, with a few exceptions (battle, political history and the like are taken from the larger War of 1812 books, and I owe Pierre Berton a considerable knowledge debt). If anyone knows of any other reliable books about Sir Isaac, I'd give a shot at hunting them down and going through them. Thanks.--Scimitar 23:06, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Possible NPOV

Nova Cygni has suggested that this article is NPOV. Can it be improved? Anything that shows Sir Isaac in a less glowing light, maybe? Metaeducation 22:55, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

• Well, one significant problem is that the only real source on Brocks career is the book by his nephew, which every researcher whose done work on Brock seems to base their opinion on, and it's quite glowing. Additionally, I really couldn't find much that criticized him. His recklessness at Queenston Heights is criticized, and given that he was a confirmed bachelor I looked fairly thoroughly for evidence that he had committed indiscretions in his personal life, but there wasn't anything. Were there any specific instances of POV that you wanted to point out?--Scimitar ^parley 14:11, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] KCB

When I restructured the introduction I took the order of the bath abbreviation ("KCB") out from after Sir Isaac Brock's name at the beginning of the article. Then someone added it back. I think perhaps that we can just call him Sir Isaac Brock in the article opener, and later elaborate on his various titles without use of abbreviation. It's less cluttered and reads aloud (and in one's head) a bit better. Thoughts? Metaeducation 22:55, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

• No objections from me.--Scimitar ^parley 14:11, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Mutiny/Tupper

From the article:

Brock sent the twelve mutineers and the seven deserters to Quebec for court martial. There it was discovered that the mutineers had planned to jail all the officers, save Sheaffe, who was to be killed, and then cross the Niagara River into the U.S. at Queenston. Seven soldiers were subsequently executed by firing squad. Ferdinand Tupper was present at the trial and executions, and wrote about them to Brock. He described how the mutineers had testified that they were forced to such measures by the severity of Sheaffe, and how, had they continued under Brock's command, they would never have taken such action. Brock was evidently much moved by the letter. As a result of his continued competence, Brock was promoted to colonel on October 30, 1805.

According to Wikipedia, Ferdinand Brock Tupper was born in 1795, so would have been ten years old in 1805. Is this right? 172.200.83.19 02:18, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

• • Yes, I believe that's correct. I recollect one of the sources commenting on Tupper's young age; I hadn't realized he was quite so young, but that does fit the material. Excellent catch, incidentally. --Scimitar 05:31, 30 April 2006 (UTC)