User talk:Irvybabes

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[edit] "Bums"

The game has been played regularly at University College, Durham for at least a decade, where the picturesque surroundings of Palace Green are temporarily converted into Bums Pitches during the spring and summer months.

I was in Durham studying in 2000-3, and was around for a good fraction of another subsequent year. I ate on Palace Green. I sat exams there. I ran errands around it. I walked across it twice a day for an entire year (living in the Viaduct does that for you), and most of the rest of the time went through it three or four times a week. Surprisingly enough, I never encountered this "traditional game" being played, nor did it ever at any time come to my attention. I don't claim to know everything that went on in those years, but I do find it somewhat hard to credit that Palace Green could have been "temporarily converted" without my noticing it in passing.

No-one has provided a cited, reliable source that this game exists, and at least two people I know personally to be reliable, with eighteen years experience of the University between them, say on the deletion debate they've never heard of it - and one of them a member of Castle SCR! This means that either:

a) someone made it up, or

b) it exists, but is sufficiently insignificant that nothing serious has ever been written about it, and that people with long experience of the places it's played have never encountered it

Neither of these fill me with great faith in the idea that the claims about this game have any grounding in the real world. Thanks for playing, but unless you can provide reliable evidence about the game both existing and having encylopedic significance, the article and the references to it are going; leaving snide remarks around on talk pages telling people they're "parading themselves as a fuck-up" or warning them about "humiliating themselves further" doesn't actually achieve anything, you know. Shimgray | talk | 18:05, 8 August 2006 (UTC)