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[edit] Welcome, and Phil Collins Changes

Ironhide, First of all, welcome to Wikipedia. It's a lot of fun to make additions to the pages, so if you have knowledge in a topic, feel free to add to one of the million-plus pages Wikipedia has to offer.

I wanted to let you know my reasoning behind changing your edits on the Phil Collins article. We try to avoid adding Point of View, or POV, to articles. As such, I deleted the reference to his live album generally considered of poor sound quality to his fans, as I've never heard this complaint and I've had the album for ten years now. Any opinions will need to be referenced and sourced by an outside critic. As for your additions on the Testify album, I deleted them as they are not accurate. "Can't Stop Loving You" was not Collins' first entry to the charts in "several decades", which would mean he hadn't been on the charts since the 1970s. Collins was on the charts three years earlier with "You'll Be in My Heart" in 1999. Also, I can't speak for outside the US, but the single never made the Top 40 in the States.

Anyway, I just wanted to explain my changes so that you weren't upset that your first contributions were changed. Again, feel free to continue editting the pages, just remember to avoid adding opinions. Thanks again, and good luck.

--Ataricodfish 15:58, 17 March 2006 (UTC)


Where do I reply? How do I contact you if you don't have an email?

It's very frustrating when your trying to contribute but constantly get your items removed.

The live album is horrible and you must not read any Phil Collins news groups, but the major of opinions on Paperlate (especially back in the 90's version of the text letter,) was that the live album has terrible mixing as seen through most of the early nineties. For some reason a lot of albums at this time tried to do a 'live' feel and they all sound you are listening to the artist from the back of the stadium.

Second, my decade comment was slightly incorrect, but Phil did hit the Top 40 charts here in the US with You'll Be In My Heart. This is verifiable by his own website. And the album did have an effect because I saw numerous girls singing along to the song in Media Play one day as I was passing through.

Thirdly, a lot of his later stuff did make a huge impact, it's just not reported by the media. While Both Side, Dance, and Testify didn't sell as much, his concerts were all packed when I attended in both Cleveland and Columbus, and his songs obviously made an impact with the radio.

Just trying to accurately report the views of a true fan here. Phil has achieved probably more than anyone else in the music industry, and its a dis-service not to appropriately credit him.

--Ironhide1975


Hey there -- Thanks for your response. First, I need to emphasize that I'm a major fan of Collins, not just a random wiki editor who didn't agree with you. I recently spent a month researching Phil Collins to bring it up to Featured Article status (You can see here the nomination process [1]). As the article is now considered Featured, I also wanted to write to you here so that you knew that this wasn't personal against you, and why I made the changes.

First, regarding the live album, you could be right regarding the album's sound quality, but we're unable to put our opinions into an article. Any opinions, such as "This album is bad / good", need to be referenced. If you find an article which talks about poor recordings and listed Collins' as one of the worst, then you can add it and source the opinion. However, listserves, newsgroups, and forums such as Paperlate aren't considered strong sources. I recently deleted an addition by another editor which said that "You'll Be in My Heart" in generally considered among fans to be his best song. I'm sure that editor had his reasons, too, but unless there's a reference by a major source showing this being voted his best song, I don't know which fans he's refering to.
Second, you're right that "You'll Be in My Heart" made the Top 40, which I agree with. However, your edit said that "Can't Stop Loving You" made the Top 40, which isn't true. (Here's a link to your edit [2]). That's why I deleted the entire statement, because the decade statement was wrong, as was the attribute to "Can't Stop Loving You", which peaked around 72.
Finally, in the article, you'll note that I regularly note that the albums sold poorly but the tours were top sellers and regularly sold out. In the article, I wrote, "Only the title track made a brief appearance on Collins' then-forthcoming Hits collection (1998). Despite this, its subsequent tour, A Trip into the Light, regularly sold out arenas." I also saw Collins' in packed stadiums for both his Both Sides and Dance into the Light tours, so I can attest to this.

Again, I want to ensure and stress to you that I mean no disrespect to Collins or yourself. In fact, I hope and encourage you to add more to the article or make any corrections as you see them. But I delete all unsourced opinions and errors from articles, and both the sound quality issue and the reference to "Can't Stop Loving You" being his first Top 40 in decades would count as this.

Feel free to write to me anytime. You can chat with me on my talk page here [3], if you wish.

Thanks again, and best of luck.

--Ataricodfish 04:09, 20 March 2006 (UTC)


Wow that makes much more sense, and I appreciate you helping walk me through my first wiki submission. I apologize if I didn't understand the suttlities(sp?) I still swear I remember seeing Can't Stop Loving You at a higher ranking, but I need to revisit Phil's site to verify this. What I meant to say with the decade comment is was a while since Phil had a signficant hint.

Thank you for your help and I will try my best to add content with proper fact checking. Thank you again.

--Ironhide1975


No prob, glad I could help. In fact, if you're interested on working on a Phil Collins article, I'd invite you to work on some of the entries for his singles and albums as well. As of now, they are either very short, incomplete, or nonexistant. For example, if you take a look at the list of Phil Collins singles so far at [4], you'll see plenty of missing articles and some, like the Groovy Kind of Love article I introduced recently, with next to no information. Some of his top songs, such as Something Happened on the Way to Heaven and I Wish It Would Rain Down, don't even have articles yet. In fact, the Serious Hits...Live album you mentioned doesn't even have an article yet, so even a track listing with a small blurb about the album would be helpful. Have fun, and enjoy adding your bit of knowledge to Wikipedia.

--Ataricodfish 05:48, 24 March 2006 (UTC)


How do I add content or create articles? Is there a wiki 101 for additing content?

--Ironhide1975


[edit] Helpful resources

Here are a series of links someone sent me which are helpful if you're new to Wiki:

That should give you a general overview. As for starting a new article, either just click on a red link that you see, like I Wish It Would Rain Down, as that means there's no article. There will be a space to create a new article. Or, if you do a search for an item and nothing comes up, it should give you an option to create a new article. It's surprisingly simple and takes only a few moments. I hope the above links prove helpful.

--Ataricodfish 16:52, 26 March 2006 (UTC)


Ataricodfish how can I get your email address to contact you directly? You can email me at ironhide1975@hotmail.com. Please drop me a line when you get a few. I want to help more on this if possible.

Ataricodfish please contact me via email if you can. Many thanks.

--Ironhide1975 12:03, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A Shanty No Lemon

There are some major problems with this article. I'd like to give you time to fix it, but I can't guarantee that another editor won't list it for deletion. Please check out these links to make sure your article meets the Wikipedia:Five pillars.

Finally, if you are a member of the podcast in question, read WP:VAIN to understand the concerns of editors creating and editing articles about themselves.

Thanks, Scientizzle 17:31, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Your edits have helped, but your main claim to notability, "the first gay podcast based out of Columbus Ohio", links only to the main website (not even to an article on the site that explains how this was definitively the "first"). This is not considered a reliable source--it needs to be a 3rd party...

Also, use the "show preview" button to test all of your changes before you test them, it'll save time and won't bog down the servers of history as much. -- Scientizzle 23:27, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm not trying to ride you about this, but give you tips to make editing easier. Also, please direct future comments to my talk page -- Scientizzle 23:39, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Okay, here's some help. First, you've done a pretty good job figuring out the citing capabilities, so props on that. As for making regular links...click this link [5]. See the changes I made in the first paragraph? To link to a Wikipedia article, one simple need to use [[ and ]]. Example: [[weasel]] = weasel. See Wikipedia:Tutorial for more easy tips on how this wiki stuff works--it's kinda weird at first, but when you get used to it editing moves fast.

More importantly, there are some content problems with A Shanty No Lemon:

  • The text does not meet WP:NPOV--the content must be as bias-free as humanly possible. That means that statements, such as "The show's whitty [sic] humor", are inappropriate.
  • For a subject to merit a Wikipedia article, the vast majority of editors in this community agree that each subject must have some claim of notability as defined by WP:N. (You really should read this essay, it explains things well.)
  • The only claim of notability I glean from your text is "A Shanty No Lemon is the first gay podcast based out of Columbus, Ohio." If that is true, it might cover your bases regarding WP:N, but first you need to verify that claim...it is Wikipedia policy that all claims be verifiable (as per Wikipedia:Verifiability) information from reliable (as per Wikipedia:Reliable sources) 3rd-party sources. This means that, in the case of your "first podcast" claim, you need to provide an outside source that verifies this. A news article or something might fit the bill... If you've got evidence that your podcast is unusually popular, present that, too.

This is a lot to deal with, I know. I'll continue to provide as much help as I can. If you need further assistance, type {{helpme}} here in your talk space to get the attention of one of the many, many fine editors.

Good luck! -- Scientizzle 22:23, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Ok give me a few days to read some of these articles. In terms of POV, just go ahead and mark any items that are POV and I'll either remove them or rewrite them.

The problem a lot of facts are soley based on audio comments during the show and/or emails I have received from the podcast owners themselves. For example I know they have said their subscription is somewhere in the 200 range, which is fairly good for a podcast, but they've only sent me a screenshot of subscribers.

The podcast itself is referenced on other sites so I'll try and link to those as well. Anything you think I need to correct or expand on, just go ahead and mark it on the article. Thanks man.

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[edit] A shanty no lemon

An editor has asked for a deletion review of A Shanty No Lemon. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article or speedy-deleted it, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Ironhide1975 23:00, 18 March 2007 (UTC) http://www.columbusalive.com/?sec=services&story=alive/2007/0208/l-lunch.html

A tag has been placed on A shanty no lemon, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because it is an article about a certain web site, blog, forum, or other community of web users that does not assert the importance or significance of that web location. Please read our criteria for speedy deletion, particularly item 7 under Articles, as well as notability guidelines for websites. Please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources which verify their content.

Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself. To contest the tagging and request that administrators wait a while for you to add contextual material, please affix the template {{hangon}} to the page, and put a note on Talk:A shanty no lemon. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Daniel.Bryant [ T ยท C ] 04:18, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Please stop removing speedy deletion notices from articles that you have created yourself, as you did with A shanty no lemon. If you continue to remove them, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Perel 05:08, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

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