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Contents 1 Seljuqs and Turkish language 2 Give descriptions! 3 Problem 4 Your thoughts on my archiving of this talk page? 5 Today's featured article 6 Doustan 7 Articles Up for Deletion 8 Pay attention please 9 Please take a look, important matter with regards to abuse of Scythians, Alans, Ossetians.. 10 News about Iran 11 We need a list 12 Listing AfDs here 13 DYK 14 Take a look at this article 15 Why is uncyclopedia's article on Iran placed on the notice board 16 Help with elections 17 Help with Persian/Farsi language 18 Armenian-Iranians 19 NewArtBot 20 User:AlexNewArtBot - New Article Bot 21 POV check needed 22 Iranian women 23 Middle East

[edit] Seljuqs and Turkish language

The information given in the Azerbaijani people article (based on the US Library of Congress) contradics the information found in the Encyclopaedia Iranica (and Encyclopaedia of Islam). According to the US Library of Congress, the Seljuqs were responsible for the Turkification of Anatolia and the Caucasus. This is rejected by the Iranica. Based on the fact that the Seljuqs were Persian-speaking and considered themselvs "inheritors and descendants of the Old Iranian Shahs" ("... here one might bear in mind that non-Persian dynasties such as the Ghaznavids, Saljuqs and Ilkhanids were rapidly to adopt the Persian language and have their origins traced back to the ancient kings of Persia rather than to Turkish heroes or Muslim saints ..." "Shahrbanu" by M.A. Amir-Moezzi in Encyclopaedia Iranica), Iranica states that:

"... The transmission of Persian culture to Anatolia begun with the foundation of the Saljuq state in the 12th century and gained speed after the Mongol invasion of Persia in the 13th century. Many Persian scholars, writers, and poets fled to the empire of the Saljuqs of Rum, following the Mongol onslaught on the Iranian lands. These highly educated men played an important role in the revival of Persian culture and literature, which had begun already at the beginning of the 13th century. Subsequently, many works in Persian, dealing with history, literature, philosophy and Sufism, were produced in Anatolia in the 13th and 14th centuries. As a result, Persian became the language of instruction at several madrasas, and Persian words were often used for place-names, personal names, and occupational activities, as well as in certain religious, legal, and official records. As a result of those developments, in the 13th century, Anatolia was thus intensively influenced by Persian culture. Intellectual life developed very effectively in the cities, where scholars copied or created religious works. [...] Scholars of Persian origin who had emigrated to Anatolia continued their activities in the cities of their new home (Aya Sofya, no. 3605), and many of them stayed in contact with their native lands. Students of the scholars active in Anatolia generally consisted of youngsters from princely families and palace officials [...] During the period of the Anatolian beyliks, following the COLLAPSE of the Saljuq State in the 14th century, the Turkish language gained gradually in importance, and consequently the influence of Persian culture and language weakened in Anatolia to a certain degree. ..." "Persian Manuscripts in Ottoman and Modern Turkish lLibraries" by O.Özgündenli in Encyclopaedia Iranica

So, as opposed to the information in the article, the FALL of the Seljuq dynasty marked the Turkification of Anatolia and the improved the role of Turkish (because, unlike the Seljuq Sultans, the Turcoman "beyliqs" spoke Oghuz instead of Persian).

Besides that, the Britannica-source attached to that information (#21) does not support this claim at all. Britannica actually supports the view of the Iranica:

"... Persian cultural autonomy flourished in the Seljuq empire. Because the Turkish Seljuqs had no Islamic tradition or strong literary heritage of their own, they adopted the cultural language of their Persian instructors in Islam. Literary Persian thus spread to the whole of Iran, and the Arabic language disappeared in that country except in works of religious scholarship. ..." [1]

Tājik 01:13, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Give descriptions!

when you post something in the urgnet issues section or other related sections, please point out what is wrong with the article. because what may seem wrong to someone may not seem wrong to some one else and this causes confusion. for example, there are some articles with "POV problems" that i dont even know what is POV about them...because they seem fine to me. Khosrow II 18:13, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes, we tried that, but an administrator deleted it, we still should describe the problem but better not mention any names. --Spahbod ☼ 02:02, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Also, please remove any article no longer under attack from the temporary issues list. --Spahbod ☼ 03:25, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

"Make sure the article is protected on the correct version" is not an appropriate description, the purpose of the notice board is to notify people about an article in need of attention, not to make a judgment call on the content. Baba bahaneh nadid dast bazihaa ke bian behemon ang bezanan baz. ps. I made some changes to the page's format, please keep it neat and simple, one section is enough for urgent notices no matter what they are. Yadateon basheh yek seri bikar injaa doust darand bara Iraniha moshkel ijaad konand, siasat be kharj bedid vaa bahaneh alaki dasteshon nadid. --Mardavich 19:14, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Problem

Now i will not name any names or anything, because i know that is against the rules, but i will say that i am being unfairly persecuted because i am trying to up hold wikipedia's standards regarding the scytho-iranian theory. I have been threatened with getting permanently blocked. Ali, Arash, and Tajik know what the situation is. Khosrow II 03:14, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Being threatened by an user that is not an admin does not mean anything. Those warning signs which some users may have sent to your talk page is free for all to use, if you are sure about your sources just send back the warning sign to the user which sent you it. --Spahbod ☼ 12:35, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your thoughts on my archiving of this talk page?

It was getting really long and a lot of the debates were getting old, so I archived it. What do you think? I forgot to ask lol. --Ķĩřβȳ♥ŤįɱéØ 07:04, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Today's featured article

First of all, congrats to all who have contributed to the Azerbaijani people article which is today's featured article.

A few days ago, I also nominated Iranian peoples for the "today's featured article": Wikipedia:Today's_featured_article/requests#Iranic_peoples

Please feel free to comment on it or to suggest a certain date for it.

Tājik 01:18, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

werent these articles already featured articles? im confused.Khosrow II 02:03, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

"Today's featured articles" are featured articles that are shown on Wikipedia's main page. Today, for example, Wikipedia's main page article is Azerbaijani people. Tājik 08:57, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Doustan

Agar mitonid tamami maghalat daneshmandan-e "List of Iranian scientists" rou be deghat ziraeh nazar dashteh baashid, yek shakhsi bikar hast ke be toreh systamtic baa userhaa vaa IPhaa mokhtalef mireh in maghlaat vaa meliat va ghomiat in afraad rou taghir mide. --Mardavich 00:55, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

okKhosrow II 02:05, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Articles Up for Deletion

Pan-Farsism - discussion page: [2]

Scytho-Iranian theory - discussion page: [3]

Khosrow II 17:02, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pay attention please

A pan-turkist user is trying to make controversy in: Ossetic and Scythian

thanks

I am watching those article, but school has started and I wont be here during the day to help you much.Khosrow II 02:47, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Please take a look, important matter with regards to abuse of Scythians, Alans, Ossetians..

Thanks for standing up for the truth here: [[4]]

Apparantely this user does not desist and now claims Ossetic is not an Indo-European language! Please see Ossetic and its talk page.

That is why I have complained against this user and ask you if you have time to also complain:

[[5]] [[6]] (one up). --Ali doostzadeh 01:14, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Also look at for RV's done by pan-turkists on Scythians, Alans, and Ossetic people. --Ali doostzadeh 16:36, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] News about Iran

British troops are mobilizing on the Iranian border http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=20060830&articleId=3097

[edit] We need a list

We should make a complete list of all Iran related articles because I dont know all of them, and I'm sure others dont know all of them either. We need to have this list, so we can keep track of them and make sure they are all being watched. We also need this so that we can make sure that there arent any articles out there that we dont know about. For example, the Rasulzadeh article was full of anti Iranian propaganda till I came across it and fixed it. I suggest we make the list on the Wiki Iran project page.Khosrow II 15:56, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Just work on and expand List_of_Iran-related_topics and List_of_Persia-related_topics. --Mardavich 07:38, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

The problem with lists is that they can be difficult to maintain once they become large. A more decentralised solution is to consult and improve Category:Iran and Category:Persia. There are hundreds, maybe thousands, of articles that are already found under these two categories. –jonsafari 18:11, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Listing AfDs here

I don't think this is appropriate. It's like me going to WikiProject Turkic and adding this same same note – "please post your opinion". If the article really should be deleted, then we will probably see mostly non-Iranians voting to delete it as well, right? IMO, posting this here is the equivalent of spamming multiple talk pages. —Khoikhoi 04:33, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

The DYK section featured on the main page is always looking for interesting new and recently expanded stubs from different parts of the world. Please make a suggestion.--Peta 02:03, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Take a look at this article

Although it talks little about Iran it mentions some very important points relevant with Iran. There is also one interesting part about why and how tea was introduced to Iran/Persia

The War in Afghanistan: Drugs, Money Laundering and the Banking System http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=NAZ20061017&articleId=3516

[edit] Why is uncyclopedia's article on Iran placed on the notice board

That article is a total joke, that's the whole point. --Ķĩřβȳ♥ŤįɱéØ 09:17, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Help with elections

Iranian City and Village Councils elections, 2006 desperately needs info on the results, and Iranian Assembly of Experts election, 2006 could use some more information on the results, as well... Help? —Nightstallion (?) 22:28, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Help with Persian/Farsi language

Greetings from Hungary! Could someone please give the correct pronunciation of the Persian word توران‎ and its rough meaning? The Hungarian derivate is supposedly "Turán" and refers to nomadic people from the central asian steppes (north of the caucasus). Is the above word even close in meaning or pronunciation? Is it properly labeled Persian or Farsi or another language? It is etymology for the Curse of Turán article. Thank you in advance. István 04:35, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

توران would be pronounced Turân, which is the name of an ancient peoples that the Iranians were at war with, according to the Shahnameh. --Ķĩřβȳ♥ŤįɱéØ 09:10, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your help. István 14:14, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Armenian-Iranians

I just came across Category:Armenian-Iranians, and I saw that it was barely populated. I want to fill it, but I don't want to make any errors in the process. I've been going through several Iran-related articles, and I came across the following persons with Armenian-sounding surnames: Hassan Roudbarian, Ali Ansarian, Andranik Teymourian, Vahid Hashemian, Javad Kazemian, Alireza Mansourian, Dariush Rezaiyan and Sebo Shahbazian. Are they Armenian-Iranians or not? Thanks in advance, Aecis^Bravado 15:52, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Of the people you named, the only Armenian-Iranian is Andranik Teymourian. I'm not certain about Sebo Shahbazian, but the other ones are defiantly not Armenian. "Ian" originates from Persian, so a lot of Persians have "Ian" at the end of their family names too. --Mardavich 03:12, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] NewArtBot

[edit] User:AlexNewArtBot - New Article Bot

Hi, I am in the trial runs of the User:AlexNewArtBot (see Wikipedia:Bots/Requests_for_approval/AlexNewArtBot). The bot analyzes the new articles for a day and puts suspected Iran-related articles into User:AlexNewArtBot/IranSearchResult, the articles are suppose to be manually put into the portal page and/or removed if irrelevant.

The list of rules are in User:AlexNewArtBot/Iran the first pattern between the slashes on each line is the pattern that should be present in the article to trigger the rule (note the case insensitive match. The other patterns on the same line are suppose to inhibit the rule. E.g. for the Russian board /florida/ inhibits /petersburg/ rule as the article is most probably about the American city. If you are reasonably familiar with the regular expressions and know what you are doing, you can edit the rules straight away, but better ask me. In the Russian board I had to remove some rules: e.g. there are a lot of non-Russians named Vladimir and Chita, so I had to remove the names of the cities or have to much false positive. If you are interested why an article went to the list there is log on the User:AlexNewArtBot/IranLog explaining the rule that sent an article to the searchresults (if the log is cleared try to look into the history of the log).

That is all. Any suggestions are welcome. Alex Bakharev 20:22, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] POV check needed

Please check the following articles and their discussion pages: 300 (film), Battle of Thermopylae, and Sparta —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.250.37.182 (talk) 02:12, 10 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Iranian women

All,

The article Iranian women has been literally deleted by User: The-Behnam.--Zereshk 01:50, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Middle East

Just a reminder to people that there are some articles which use the term "Middle East" as an ethnic group, when such ethnic group does not exist. All real sources use this as a geographic term, so please, if you come across an article which uses the inappropriate and ambiguous term "Middle Easterner" (especially in relation to non-Arab peoples) please correct it. Unfortunately there are many ignorant people who want to claim that "Middle Easterner" is the same as "European" or "Asian" which is 100% not true and no good sources back this up. So we should do our best to correct this prejudice and ignorance. See also Middle Eastern American (what a joke) for example of bias. Thank you Khorshid 12:44, 31 March 2007 (UTC)