Talk:IP address starvation
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[edit] Let's Begin
Ok, done the start of the requested article on IP Address Starvation. Had some concerns about it initially as I sometimes think that "Wikipedia is Not a Forum to Request Someone Do Your Homework" should be added to "What Wikipedia is Not", but it has encyclopedic value nonetheless and makes for vaguely interesting reading if you are as geeky as me. Elomis 12:26, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
- A good start. The subject is already covered to some extent at IPv4#Exhaustion, and various redirects (IP address shortage, for example) already point there. I think the title sounds a bit off - "IP address shortage" would be more correct (cv. Google's results for "ip address starvation" (36 hits [1]) and "ip address shortage" (617 hits [2]). If this can be made into a solid, comprehensive and well-referenced article I see no reason it can't stand apart from IPv4 (with a "Main article:" link therein leading here). ~Matticus TC 13:38, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
Maybe I can, let me try over the next day or two, although I have no problems with the merge. I would say this is a case of somebody being given homework or some other type of brief to find out about the phenomenon and requesting the article, and I imagine the 'starvation' phraseology smacks a little of alarmist re-wording :-) I'll flesh this out a little like I intended, but it may still be merged into v4 or exhaustion. Elomis 20:51, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Merging
I do not think this article should be merged *into* IPv4, just the opposite. I think the IPv4 article is already too large and I think a lot of stuff about this subject should be broken out and moved here. Wrs1864 12:48, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
- I decided to be bold and went ahead and moved stuff as suggested above. Wrs1864 13:34, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] rename article to IP address exhaustion
What do people think about renaming this article to IP address exhaustion? A google search shows that "exhaustion" to be about 10 times more common than "starvation". Is there a better name? Wrs1864 17:25, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
- Sounds like a good idea to me. The term is more familiar/common, as you've pointed out, and also matches the term used in IPv4 in the section that you merged content from. —Krellis 19:25, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
- Regardless of popularity the word exhaustion is inappropriate. Exhaustion refers to the total depletion of a resource, starvation refers to the same thing but with the extra focus on the potentially disasterous effects afterwards. If you talk about food starvation you don't simply refer to the fact that there isn't any food, but the fact that there are ill effects on people's health etc. Google is indexing popular opinion amongst laypeople in your search, an encyclopedia comments on clinical fact. •Elomis• 05:57, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
- I disagree with this assessment. In particular, I see the key difference between "exhaustion" and "starvation" is that when a supply is exhausted, it won't come back, while starvation implies that an increase in supply is possible and could solve the problem. Is there some sort of wikipedia policy or precedent to this? Wrs1864 15:25, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
- Regardless of popularity the word exhaustion is inappropriate. Exhaustion refers to the total depletion of a resource, starvation refers to the same thing but with the extra focus on the potentially disasterous effects afterwards. If you talk about food starvation you don't simply refer to the fact that there isn't any food, but the fact that there are ill effects on people's health etc. Google is indexing popular opinion amongst laypeople in your search, an encyclopedia comments on clinical fact. •Elomis• 05:57, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
- Well, the reason why I didn't move this page quite a while ago is because IPv4 address exhaustion originally had an article and this creates a problem that requires an administrator to help with. (The GFDL requires that we keep attributions and histories.) The IPv4 address exhaustion article was merged into IPv4 about a year ago, and now I helped break it back out into a separate article. In the process of merging into IPv4, some information was deleted and I need to see what, if any, should be restored. I also need to determine if the merger was done for a good reason, and if so, if this article should be merged back into IPv4, or if the situation has changed in the last year, or what. It near the top of my TODO list, but if someone else wants to tackle this issue first, please do. Wrs1864 15:25, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] but there are lots of devices with the same "unique" address
- Every host on a network (for example a computer or networked printer) is assigned a unique IP address
Well, unique e.g. to a private subnet. Sure are a lot of devices out there currently addressed as 198.162.0.1. I propose "is assigned an IP address" and let the next paragraph (About NAT) take care of itself. Michael Gold 00:58, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
