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I'm sure you will get an official welcome later; I just wanted to thank you for the helpful edits at alliterative verse. So there's a new official standard orthography for Old Norse? I must learn of this. Smerdis of Tlön 01:37, 25 May 2004 (UTC)

I'm not entirely sure about the use of 'non-standard' characters. Wikipedia:Special characters seems to indicated that using HTML named character enities is better than using HTML numeric entities. I'm not sure if that answers your question. Maximus Rex 22:36, 27 May 2004 (UTC)

ǫ appears as correctly for me in Mozilla, but not in Internet Explorer (where it is a box). Some of the wikis, such as fr:, use UTF-8, while others, such as [[:en:]], use ISO-8859-1. Some browsers aren't able to display all characters properly. That's about all I know. Maximus Rex 02:01, 29 May 2004 (UTC)

The thing about Beowulf in Norse Saga is not so important. I was slightly flying in the dark when I wrote it. The style is saga-ish, celebrating the Germanic warrior code, even if it is not technically a Norse saga..

dino 22:06, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Saga-ish, certainly, but apart from its not being a saga it isn't Norse either. If Beowulf is on a page dedicated to Norse sagas, why not the Iliad? Io 22:21, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)

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[edit] Sig

One can do this: ─┼─ , by adding...

<font color="red"><b>&*#9472;&*#9532;&*#9472;</b></font> (remove the asterisks)

...but unless you figure out how to change the background colour, you're stuck with a cross on a (probably) white background (depends on user's selected background colour). Windows' "character map" program (usually in Start, Programs, Accessories, or Start, Programs, Accessories, System tools) allows you to browse the characters available. The number shown at the bottom of the program is in hexidecimal/base16, you need to use a calculator to convert to decimal/base10. zoney ███ talk 15:37, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Norwegian/Icelandic

One can do this: ═╬═ , by adding...

<font color="red"><b>&*#9552;&*#9580;&*#9552;</b></font> (remove the asterisks)

...but again, unless you figure out how to change the background colour, you're stuck with a cross on a (probably) white background (depends on user's selected background colour). zoney ███ talk 15:46, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Hi Io, I saw your question on Wikipedia talk:Username. Zoney's got the right idea. It's possible to change the background color using CSS. For example:
  • Denmark: ─┼─ or ═╬═
  • Iceland: ─┼─ or ═╬═
  • Norway: ─┼─ or ═╬═
  • Sweden: ─┼─ or ═╬═
You can get the source by clicking "edit", of course. :-) • Benc • 07:58, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)

[edit] bug bugzilla:660

Halló Io! Please take a look at bugzilla:660. I am happy to fiend a friend interested about Norse saga. Regards Gangleri 20:53, 2004 Oct 7 (UTC)

[edit] q:is:Main Page

Halló Io! Do you know q:is:Main Page? I was surprised beeing the first user there. There is no q:is:Forsíða at the moment. Regards Gangleri 04:28, 2004 Oct 18 (UTC)

I can't say I knew about this URL-format you quote here. I have always just typed http://is.wikipedia.org/ in the address bar and that has led to the Icelandic front page for as long I've known about Wikipedia. Cheers Io 15:23, 18 Oct 2004 (UTC)

q:is:Main Page is Icelandic Wikiquotes just as Wiktionary:is:Main Page is the Icelandic Wiktionary. Both are "sister projects" of w:is:Main Page Wikipedia. I made fr:Discuter:Antoine de Saint-Exupéry tonight. See User talk:Anthere#fr:Le Petit Prince.
[1] shows (Icelandic) Íslenska: Litli Prinsinn: Hér er leyndarmálið. Það er mjög einfalt: maður sér ekki vel nema með hjartanu. Það mikilvægasta er ósýnilegt augunum.. If you like it, you may post it at q:is:Antoine de Saint-Exupéry.
I would like to post some quotes from the sagas at q:is:Íslendingasögurnar next week. Regards Gangleri 04:29, 2004 Oct 19 (UTC)

Halló Io! Kein Problem. Wünsche Dir geschäftlichen Erfolg und eine tolle Reise. Habe bei wiktionary gesehen, dass "Takk!" noch nicht vorhanden ist. Wenn Du Lust hast, kannst Du es später eintragen.
Hat go.is easy.go.is (vorübergehend?) eingestellt? Weißt Du mehr darüber? Antworte am besten nächste Woche per e-mail. Takk! Gangleri 00:07, 2004 Oct 20 (UTC)

Zur Info: Habe die Artikel aus der de:Liste isländischsprachiger Schriftsteller überarbeitet und unter de:Diskussion:Liste isländischsprachiger Schriftsteller einige Bemerkungen hinterlassen. Unter commons:User:Gangleri/pictures gibt es einige Fotos. Gruß Gangleri 08:28, 2004 Oct 21 (UTC)

[edit] Old Icelandic characterrs

[edit] Article Licensing

Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 2000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:

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[edit] Old Norse Names

I have reworked the names of the poems in Poetic Edda, formerly Elder Edda, to fit with the conventions tentatively established at Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(Old_Norse/Old_Icelandic/Old_English) and am informing those who have commented on such things in the past. I hope what I have done pleases you. I intend increasingly to go through with standardizing names as indicated, unless there really are objections. It is time the mess was cleaned up, following some convention or other. Please reply at Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(Old_Norse/Old_Icelandic/Old_English) if you have any feelings on the matter, especially if they are negative. I don't have any great preference, but want to get something started to clear up the maze of redirects and strange spellings that currently afflict the Norse mythology articles. Jallan 04:14, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)

[edit] This and that

Velkominn aftur, hef ekki séð þig hér lengi :)

Currently we're using Old Norse spellings (but with ö for o-with-hook) for names from Norse mythology. See the page Jallan links to above. You may also be interested in the list of missing Icelandic topics on my home page. - Haukurth 18:42, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Fenrir

Eina dóttur berr Álfröðull áðr hana Fenrir fái. - http://www.hi.is/~eybjorn/gg/gg4par51.html

- Haukurth 17:48, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Já, "Fenris" kemur áreiðanlega hvergi fyrir í Eddu :) - Haukurth 18:03, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Lexicon Poeticum

Fyrst þú vitnaðir í Eybjörn, þá dettur mér í hug spurningin, veiztu, hvort hann hefir gefizt upp á síðunni sinni? Lexicon Poeticum hefir ekki verið uppfært síðan í marz 2003. Kveðja Io 18:18, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Hann talaði við mig nýlega um að hann þyrfti að komast aftur í þetta. Þetta er bara svo mikil vinna. En hvettu hann endilega til dáða! Hann verður alltaf glaður að heyra af fólki sem notar þetta. - Haukurth 18:34, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Höður blessaður

Sæll, Io!

Nú er í gangi tilraun til að færa Höð yfir í "Hodur". Ef þú hefur skoðun á þessari hugmynd væri gaman að heyra frá þér á Talk:Höðr.

Kveðja, Haukur Þorgeirsson 06:41, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Norse mythology naming convention vote notice

A new proposal on the representation of Norse mythology names is now up for a vote. Some people object to it on the grounds that it would use non-English characters in some article titles. It would be interesting to hear your view since you've commented on related votes in the past. - Haukur Þorgeirsson 00:51, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Glottal stop in Icelandic

I agree. I think I personally often use a glottal stop in Icelandic and I think many people do. I don't know about recent research about this - I have vague memories of seeing it in some phonetics book somewhere.

But when does it occur? I just asked User:Arndisdunja to read "Esjan er ágæt" aloud and she did it without any glottal stops. So where do we use them? - Haukur Þorgeirsson 21:28, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

As for my formal education I'm about halfway through with a BA in linguistics at the UoI. More importantly I'm just interested in this sort of thing and tend to read up on it. - Haukur Þorgeirsson 21:29, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

I think preaspiration is definitely an [h]. I once tried a few experiments in recording words with preaspiration in them and playing them backwards. If you record "tott" it sounds just about the same when you play it backwards so I'm convinced [thOht] is a reasonably accurate phonetic representation.

One of my professors at the UoI said that English had a tendency to include some sort of glottal stop before certain consonants. For example "rot" might have a glottal sound before the final consonant. He said that this might be part of the explanation why Icelanders tend to use preaspiration in words like that when speaking English. - Haukur Þorgeirsson 21:44, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] List of Icelandic poets

Good stuff, Io. The following is a list of our countrymen who have articles in Britannica but - scandalously - still lack Wikipedia articles:

Those might be a good place to start.

Since you seem to be very active these days and you're constantly suggesting some project or other to me - Icelandic morphology etc. - I wonder if you'd consider starting some sort of Wikiproject about Old Norse and Icelandic matters. It might be nice to select an article every week or fortnight or something to collaborate on. - Haukur 20:55, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Morphology

I think it's a good idea but I don't really have any Icelandic grammar books out here in London. I might pick up some of them when I go home for Christmas so maybe sometime in the new year.

I'm currently working on articles related to the Norse exploration of North-America. I'm very confused by the different nomenclature that seems to be in use for the texts in question. It seems that Grænlendinga saga (which I'm preparing an article on) is sometimes called "Eiríks saga" and that Eiríks saga rauða is sometimes split into "Eiríks saga" and "Þorfinns saga karlefnis". Then there is a Grænlendinga þáttr which is quite distinct from either and yet Grænlendinga saga is itself so short that it is sometimes referred to as a "þáttr" or even as "Grænlendinga þáttr". It's all very confusing. I'm working mostly from web sources and I wish I had the manuscript texts of Flateyjarbók and Hauksbók at hand. - Haukur 21:19, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

For Hauksbók- Eysteinn has some of it available online at his main website. Are you looking for manuscript images/pictures, or transcriptions of the manuscripts for both of those works?
→ P.MacUidhir (t) (c) 05:11, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Eysteinn Ásgrímsson

I'm already there :)

The Sagnanet has some manuscript images but not of the oldest manuscript. The Árni Magnússon institute does have images of Flateyjarbók but the resolution is so bad that they're not really readable - it's difficult enough anyhow. - Haukur 21:38, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Using English

The English Wikipedia frowns upon discussions in native languages. They want everyone to be able to follow the discussions, and I understand that point of view. But if you are discussing a topic that is clearly only accessible to "specialists" in the first place, it should OK to give citations and references in the original and drop names without explanation, shouldn't it? Cheers Io 20:31, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Yes, surely. If someone joins in on the conversation and asks for translations we will supply them. - Haukur 20:32, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
I'd like to make distinction:
Traditionally, wikipedia has no niches only accessible to "specialists": talk pages are intended to facilitate communications between specialists and non-specialists. Using language that is not intelligible by anyone who happens to pass by is not a good idea, IMHO. This does not only happen w.r.t. languages, e.g. also for highly specialised scientific topics. Take for instance a look at Talk:Pebble bed reactor: although the topic is highly specialised, talk can be followed by specialists and non-specialists alike. Be assured the same topics on that talk page could've been treated in a way that only "specialists" could follow, but that's not the way it was done.
Re. citations and references - maybe indeed full translation of a quote/citation/reference on a talk page is not always necessary, but maybe best to indicate in English at least what you intend to make clear by the quote, why it is there in the first place.
--Francis Schonken 04:50, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Reply to your question on my talk page

The issue is about Wikipedia:Naming conventions (common names). You have as much right to comment and contribute to it as anyone despite your modesty. But if you do I wouldn't want you to say anything out of a personal allegiance to me but solely out of your judgment of the material issues (which are, in my opinion, relatively minor and do not merit the commotion). - Haukur 19:09, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Enn af íslenskum skáldum

Jæja, nú fljúgum við aftur út á morgun. Ég er þó fáeinum skruddum ríkari.

Þú hefur kannski áhuga á þessu: Thordis Bjornsdottir. - Haukur 22:28, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] is.wikisource.org

Ég þakka stuðninginn. Síðan er komin í gagnið, s:is:Forsíða og nú er um að gera að drífa textum þar inn.

Nýárskveðja, Stefán Ingi

Sæll, takk fyrir innleggin. Það er komin í gang umræðusíða á s:is:Wikiheimild:Samfélagsgátt. Það er alveg rétt hjá þér að það þarf að laga textann á ýmsum skilaboðum kerfisins þarna. Sem stendur er vandamálið það að það er ekkert möppudýr, þetta gerist allt í smáum skrefum, ég þarf að halda áfram að nöldra í fólki til að koma mér í þá stöðu (það eru samt allar forkröfur fyrir því uppfylltar). Kveðja. Stefán Ingi 01:15, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
Ég veit ekki hvað það tekur langan tíma að koma möppudýri á fót. Það er sennilega fljótlegt þegar einhver gengur í málið. En það á alveg að vera hægt að setja nýja texta inn. Einfaldast er að setja titilinn sem þú vilt hafa á greininni inn í leitarboxið, smella á áfram, og þá kemur textinn "No page with this exact title exists, trying full text search." Þar á meðal er "this exact title" hlekkur sem þú getur smellt á og þá opnast síða sem þú getur skrifað inn textann. Ég vona að þetta hjálpi. Stefán Ingi 20:51, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
Ef þú ert að hugsa um textann í reitnum Verk þá var ég búinn að setja inn leiðbeiningar um það á [2] undir fyrirsögninni Forsíðan. En annars er kóðinn á forsíðunni óttalega súpa og það er mér að kenna. Ég reyni að vinna í því fljótlega. Stefán Ingi 21:43, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Magnús Jónsson

Jæja, reynum nú að koma Magnúsi á koppinn. Ég setti upp pínulítinn stubb :) auktu endilega við. - Haukur 22:03, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vatnajökull

It occured to me to ask you because I believe that you have the new book. The article on Vatnajökull maintains that the ö is a diphthong, do you think there is any sense in that? Stefán Ingi 19:22, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

No, I guess I never thought ö was a diphthong but Haukur suggested to me that there might be some slide in it. I just thought I'd get another opinion before I removed it from the article, in case it was some attempt at an ultra accurate description. Never mind, œ will do well enough. Stefán Ingi 09:54, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for looking it over. I think I have placed the circle under the l. Unfortunately, I cannot actually see it so perhaps you can confirm that it is in order. Stefán Ingi 18:24, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Hmm, this is strange. What I am doing is exactly what you propose, copying the devoicing ring and pasting it after the l and what I see is exactly that, the ring comes after the l. This is supposed to work so I am out of ideas. Stefán Ingi 19:05, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Um framhald

Sæll, félagi!

Ég hefi verið fjarstaddur um hríð, og þegar ég fór aftur að skrifa urðu mér á ógurleg mistök, sem þú getur séð á spjallsíðunni um íslenzka tungu. En, þar eð þú ert orðinn admin og allt það, eigum við að halda áfram samstarfi? Ég geri mér ljóst, að þú ert námsmaður, sem fórnar frístundunum í Wikipediu. En, ef við höldum áfram, hvar finnst þér að við ættum að byrja? Mér dettur þrennt í hug:

1. Halda áfram með skáldatalið.

2. Halda áfram með Wikiheimildina.

3. Setja inn almennilega íslenzka málfræði á ensku Wikipediuna.

Hvað sýnist þér?

Beztu kveðjur Io 18:44, 11 March 2006 (UTC) (PS: Ég er að taka tvær vikur í það, sem Kanar kalla R&R, þannig að næstu dagar gætu orðið verðmætir — eftir það er ég ekki sjálfs mín herra).

Sæll! Ég skrapp til Íslands um helgina og hef verið lítið við. Henti þó inn einni rímu á Heimildina í gær. Ég er til í skáldatal, er að hugsa um að taka Stein Steinar - hirti einmitt bók með enskum þýðingum af verkum hans heima. Hvernig líst þér á að skrifa nokkur orð um Bólu-Hjálmar? Nú, eða hvern sem þú vilt :) Haukur 16:06, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nokkur atriði

Árni beiskur má vissulega kallast tragísk persóna. Greinin um þjóðernishyggjuna er skárri eftir en áður en mætti þó alveg missa sig mín vegna. Hannes er Hannes. Þú ættir að gæta þess að nota User_talk síðuna hans en ekki User síðuna þegar þú baular á hann. Kveðja, Haukur 23:16, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Steinn Steinarr

Hann er lentur - bættu endilega við, margt ætti að segja. Ég hef ekki góðar heimildir hérna nema að ég er einmitt með á mér skruddu með nokkrum þýðingum. Það er nefnilega ágætt að geta vitnað í útgefna þýðingu. Haukur 10:49, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Allt í lagi - hafðu það gott :) Fallegir vordagar í Lundúnum núna. Haukur 18:49, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Velkominn aftur

Gaman að sjá þig skjóta upp kollinum á nýjan leik :) Ég er enn við sama heygarðshornið. Skrifaði reyndar loksins grein um skáldkonu, Steinunni Finnsdóttur, eftir að hafa skrifað tugi greina um karlkyns skáld. Haukur 17:23, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Spánverjavígin

Jú það væri gott að fá grein um þetta "last massacre" eins og þú kallaðir það. En ég get glatt þig með að ein besta heimildin er einmitt lesanleg á netinu, grein Ólafs Davíðssonar ásamt Spönsku vísum: [3] Haukur 22:26, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

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