Talk:International Talk Like a Pirate Day

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[edit] Former high-traffic

{{high-traffic|date=16 September 2006|site=Slashdot|url=http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/09/16/204204}}

[edit] made up?

  • International Talk Like a Pirate Day - looks like made up junk to me, the website link doesn't exist -- Tarquin 15:56, 19 Sep 2003 (UTC)
    • Arrgh, I be supposin' that yonder site just be slashdotted, seein' as today be Talk Like a Pirate Day. I found me a site flyin' a British flag that may be easier. It passes the Google test. Don't make it walk the plank. -- Smerdis of Tlön 16:12, 19 Sep 2003 (UTC)
    • I never 'eard of it neither, but methinks lots of people do! http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20030919 DJ Clayworth 17:14, 19 Sep 2003 (UTC)
    • Ahoy me mateys, the site be up now! Me friend (Wikipedia-independent) tells me that today, they be talkin' like pirates at the U of W IRC. Shiver me timbers! -- Cyan 21:03, 19 Sep 2003 (UTC)
    • It may be stupid, but it's real, people have been doing that here all day (in London, Ontario). It's like Mole Day or Pi Day or stuff like that. Adam Bishop 21:14, 19 Sep 2003 (UTC)
  • And one year later, the day be alive and kickin' better'n King Neptune with a peg leg! Argh! Fishal 13:38, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)
    • Here too (well, now in Toronto rather than London) - we had a pirate-themed Latin exam to mark the occasion, if you can believe that. Adam Bishop 21:32, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Since this day is coming up, it might be nice to have a one liner on the main page on Sep 19.

I first heard about Talk Like A Pirate in 2002 before Dave Barry's column, from a friend. He claimed that his father's factory in Wellington had celebrated it a couple of times, after they heard about it from a new employee from a town called Oamaru, in New Zealand Hammerton 23:37, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sayings

Moved from main article:

  • Avast Ye Scurvy Scum
  • Ahoy Matey
  • Arggh I need a hamburger!
  • Aye, aye, captain
  • Dead men tell no tales
  • Grab thee a wench
  • Lily-livered land lubbers
  • Polly wanna cracker?
  • Shiver me timbers
  • Swab the deck
  • Yo ho, yo ho
  • Arr, Mateys!!
  • Arr ye barnicle encrusted bilage rats!

These really should be sourced on where they come from. This is an encyclopedia afterall. For example, where does "Arggh I need a hamburger!" come from? Or "Arr ye barnicle encrusted bilage rats!" .. Should we as Wikipedia editors invent sayings up that sound pirate-like? A couple of these I think can be sourced to Treasure Island. Stbalbach 05:19, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

Should that be bilge rats? Jivlain 13:09, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Arrr

Mark Liberman has traced the first appearance of "Arrr!" to the 1950 movie Treasure Island. I've noted this in the main article, although the external link should probably moved to that section. Bill Jefferys 03:15, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

I had changed 'Arrr' to 'Rrrr' in the main article, prompted by the fact that the Ergonomic Keyboard for Pirates lacks the 'A' key, but does have the 'R' key and a shift key. I see that someone has changed it back. I can live with it either way, but I rather like 'Rrrr' since anyone following the link to Liberman's article will find the picture of the keyboard. Bill Jefferys 17:25, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Both are used, Arrr is probably more common, following wikipedia convention, including both with the less used on in parens. --Stbalbach 02:21, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gramer issue

In the last sentence of the first paragraph of the first section after the introduction there is a singular/plural issue it is said that several films were released but only one was mentioned. If there are multiple films (author) could you please name them. PiAndWhippedCream 04:32, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sid Meiers Pirates!

Yarr, me hearties! How can Sid have introduced this easter egg with the dialogue change in the game on September the 19th? The game was released in 1987 and the article mentions that both inventors of this holiday "invented" it in 1995. Or does this refer to the remake from 2004? --217.17.197.166 07:41, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Yarr, it does mean the remake, ye scallywag!

[edit] Lecture announcement

Regarding this edit:

In East Lothian, Rev Dr "Red Robin" Hill is holding a series of pirate-related events at his church for the 2006 TLAPD. [1]

It's inappropriate for Wikipedia - this is an encyclopedia not a community announcement board. -- Stbalbach 12:20, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] High Traffic Notice Removal

I sued the high traffic tempalte on this article (now on this talk page), as it was/is being linked from a high traffic site, was removed once by Stbalbach along with other material with the comment "(remove original research - remove ext-link unrelated to the holiday)", I restored it after that removal. This has been again removed, by anon 75.17.40.19 with the comment, "(Slashdotted is NOT for articles.)". I am not going to start a revert war over this, but would appreciate any insight here in to the removals (pinged both talk pages). The template does not specify where it should be placed, instead referencing this is an ongoing debate; if it is meant for talk pages, then it seems it would have been better to move it here, then just delete it. Thanks, — xaosflux Talk 02:33, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

There does seem to be some controversy about it being in main article space, and I agree it should be on the talk page - I was not aware of that when I removed it - I also removed it because 1) the linked slashdot article reference doesn't seem to be a main post, but rather a comment inside a slashdot thread, which isn't really that big of a deal, and 2) there has not been any notable increase in edits to the article to need the template - the template is to inform editors why there are a lot of edits going on, which has not been the case. If anything there will be a lot of edits because the holiday is the 19th and many sites will link to the article, not just slashdot, as happens every year. -- Stbalbach 03:39, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
I took a second look, and see now it is indeed a main front page post on slashdot, and should thus have the template, my fault. I agree with anon the template should be on the talk page. -- Stbalbach 03:42, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the quick reply, going through the other high-traffic looks like talk is the defacto standard now too, oh well, this will be {{current}} in a few days as well ;) — xaosflux Talk 03:47, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
The IP was me. I meant to move the tag to the talk page, but forgot about it, and the battery on my laptop ran dry a short while later. Sorry. Ral315 (talk) 04:32, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Marc Summers?

Does anyone know if this is the same Marc Summers who hosted Double Dare on Nickelodeon? 68.48.163.37 03:00, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Doesn't look like it. The season premiere of the American television show Wife Swap on 9/18/2006 actually featured Baur and Summers as pirates. The announcer mentioned that they were the creators of the day. Kyouryuu 04:28, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Piratey, vector version.svg

Mateys, does that carrrtoon poirate contribute much to the arrrrticle? I may 'ave to walk the plank for this, but I bain't see its usefulness. Arr!

(Seriously...does it? Unsure about the weird image description too) BillyH 03:14, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Why ye mutinous dog!! It be a fine portrayte an' stereotype of all we stand for.
(ooc: ahhh why not keep it :P) --Jquarry 05:07, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
While I be unsure about the caption, I'm feelin' that it's a pretty good rep'resentasion of the stereotypical pirate! He's not a-missin' the pegleg, parrot, or hook--three very important parts of the "stereotypical" pirate! I'll have ye keelhauled fer talk like that! --authraw 10:48, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
This is Wikipedia, isn't it? I didn't get pulled into Uncyclopedia by mistake?
Yargggh, begone, ye scurvy landlubber, or we'll make ye walk the plank! Sum0 13:21, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bannanas?

Is Bannaaanas or this **** is Bannaaanas supposed to be on this page, or is it vandalizm? I will delete it, please, if it was supposed to be there, which I doubt, do not put it back, as it does not contribute to the article, and seems like vandalizm. | AndonicO 12:37, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
Never mind, someone else already erased it, so I guess it was vandalism. | AndonicO 12:48, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Say...

Why is this page completely blank?--Mullon 13:31, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] More vandalism...

This code caused a series of obscene words to be repeated over and over on this page (I've substituted { for [ and \ for |)...

{{Image:Piratey, vector version.svg\thumb\right\Use Template:Glossary of nautical terms\nautical talk and you just might get your mouth washed out with soap.}}

I'm sure it's vandalism, right?

209.98.117.186 13:57, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Notability

I've added the notability banner as the article does very little to justify that this is observed by anyone but its inventors. Please add something concrete and remove the banner.

You don't get on the internet much, do you.

The article also needs to be clearer on which bits are part of the joke and which bits are real (eg Is Robert Newton personally involved or not?) --88.111.33.202 15:11, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Yarr me matey! An example for popularity apart from the inventors would be todays UserFriendly Cartoon (it's an animated gif, wait 3-5 secs). I'm sure there are much more examples but this came to mind. --SoWhy Talk 15:18, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
Did ye miss the Dave Barry reference, me ol' chum-scrubber? An' walk the plank over t' Google News and see the media references spannin' the seven seas. If I had a doubloon for each reference, I'd have 114 doubloons! Yarr! -- Coneslayer 15:24, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
For what it's worth, it's featured on the front page of Yahoo! news this morning. Tachyon01 15:29, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
It was mentioned on CNN's American Morning today. Andy Serwer was wearing an eyepatch.207.250.7.194 15:33, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
The people on the MMORPG Kingdom Of Loathing honor the pirate day.--68.176.138.83 15:36, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
Yar, here be a press release in relation t'talk like a pirate day: http://www.responsesource.com/releases/rel_display.php?relid=27112&hilite= --170.28.224.114 15:58, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
If ye bothered to follow the link, you'd see Robert Newton, God rest 'is soul, was consigned to Davey Jones' Locker many a year ago. So it's unlikely he's involved personal in this special day. But I'm certain he be watchin' down on us from above, a crooked smile crossin' his weather beaten face... --Jquarry 22:44, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

I walked into college this morning (West Yorkshire, England) and it was like walking onto a bloody galleon. It's widely observed here. Ultre 17:01, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Avast! Swabbies the world over be gallyvantin' 'round all acount of Talk Like a Pirate Day. YAR! Altair 16:01, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Avast, ye scurvy swab! If ye be havin' the gall to look upon yonder MSN home page, ye'll be seein' a link at the top to send a pirate day greeting card to yer mates. Methinks this solves everything, so make that bloody banner walk the plank already! Arr, landlubbers such as yerself should stick to editing articles on gardening or home decor. Here be the link: http://www.msn.americangreetings.com/display.pd?bfrom=1&prodnum=3063751&path=23728&va=1&source=msne110&GT1=8545

Arrr, seriously, me hearrrty, ITLAPD be one o' the most notable Internet holidays in all the seven seas... or something. Perhaps ye don't be gettin' out much, or, more likely, 'tis those o' us who be talkin' like pirates all day who need to be reassessin' our lives. I be removin' that banner now, since there be clearrr consensus. 69.140.12.199 19:22, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Arrr, the consensus be so clearrr that somebody else removed the tag while I was still writin'. I ought to keelhaul th' scurvy dog for stealin' me Wikiplunder! 69.140.12.199 19:25, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
Especially add in the day after of the Userfriendly comic strip. 68.176.138.126 15:26, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pastafarianism

The connection to Pastafarianism is irrelevant. Both are spoof holidays and that is about all there is. The fact the same people celebrate ITLAPD and Pastafarianism is non-notable. It might be relevant in an academic discussion of spoof holidays (and religions). I'm sure people who celebrate ITLAPD do other wacky things too - dress up like zombies, flash mob, read Bob Dobbs etc.. it's irrelevant to the holiday. -- Stbalbach 18:41, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Actually... The connection is not irrelevant. The "FSM Gospel" mentions pirates throughout, and specifically points out ITLAPD in at least one place. Spoofs or not, ITLAPD is celebrated and is connected to FSM. Motor.on 20:22, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Happy ITLaP Day

Arrrrrrrrrrrrrr! --Dante Alighieri | Talk 19:00, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Please note that the discussion page for International Talk Like a Pirate Day is serious business and any actual talking like a pirate, even in fun, is inappropriate and strictly forbidden. Also yarr. --einexile 20:24, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
Forbidden?! Why ye lilly-livered landlubber, such a discourse as I set me eyes on herein IS appropriate to the subject. I for one will be honoring this most auspicious occassion in every media I be in, till me dyin' day. --Jquarry 21:58, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Gaharr, it be over now anyway. Bugger. —Vanderdecken∴ ∫ξφ 09:30, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Notability again

I'm putting the notability tag back because none of the stuff mentioned in the notability discussion on this page appears in the actual article, which is the only thing that matters. Please fix the article before removing it. --Dtcdthingy 15:11, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure why this article has been tagged as possibly being non-notable. A Google search for "talk like a pirate day" [2] turns up some 2,980,000 pages and "international talk like a pirate day" turns up 648,000 pages [3]. What else is needed for notability? Do you need more citations? --authraw 19:52, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
Oh, never mind--I missed your last post. How would one go about adding those into the article? Would it be sufficient to add the links to the "References" or "External Links" sections? --authraw 19:57, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

That is ridiculous. We don't need to list every time the holiday is mentioned in the press. We don't list every time Christmas is mentioned in the press. The reason the links are not in the article is because they don't need to be in the article, there is no reason for them to be in the article because they are not used in the article for citation purposes. Notability has been established on the talk page, and if your not satisfied (ie you haven't bothered to look it up yourself), I'll list dozens of further links and references. Wikipedia has a lot of problems, the notability of this holiday is not one of them, please don't be a nuisance. -- Stbalbach 21:16, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Let me also say, adding links to an article for the sole reason of achieving someones personal opinion of notability is not how Wikipedia works. I and most people believe the links that are there now establish notability, these are the key and most important ones. If you disagree, the talk page can be used to clarify any concerns about notability - if you still disagree, then adding the links to the article won't change anything, you should take it to AfD. Cramming the article full of a bunch of random news reports about ITLAPD is bad practice and un-needed cruft, exactly the type of stuff Wikipedia needs less of. -- Stbalbach 21:33, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

You've got to agree that the "Background" section (which currently forms the meat of the article) is incredibly thin on facts. It basically says "These guys invented it, some guy wrote about it, and now everyone's celebrating it". That's not an article. Phrases like "celebrated internationally" are completely meaningless. --Dtcdthingy 05:52, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
This article has more supporting citations than most articles on Wikipedia, I'm not sure why your picking on it - you seem to be trying to prove your right - why don't you just edit and improve the article instead of nagging other people about it? -- Stbalbach 12:56, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Remove fact tag

Robert Newton is the Patron Saint of the Holiday. This is discussed in the article. What exactly is the problem that you need a fact tag? -- Stbalbach 21:16, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Examples of pirate sayings: Translate please

An (abbreviated, perhaps) translation of the speech instructions from technical jargon to plain English would probably be useful. Jivlain 13:09, 3 December 2006 (UTC)


I don't have enough experience to translate the second example, but the first:

"Lift the skin up, and put into the bunt the slack of the clews (not too taut), the leech and foot-rope, and body of the sail; being careful not to let it get forward under or hang down abaft. Then haul your bunt well up on the yard, smoothing the skin and bringing it down well abaft, and make fast the bunt gasket round the mast, and the jigger, if there be one, to the tie."

is instructions for properly furling a sail. Basically, you are instructed to find the skin of the sail (the tough, water resistant fabric near the top of the sail) and holding the sail at the bunt (the middle portion), pull the majority of the sail towards the middle and into the skin. The furled sail should be smooth, wider in the middle (shaped like a joint..) and as far up on the yard as possible. Smooth the skin all the way around the furl to ensure that it's weather tight. The bunt gasket is one of the lines that holds the furl together and up on the yard. This is tied to the mast.--66.165.17.24 17:26, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pirates & Parrots

According to the article, the association between Pirates & Parrots is purely fictional. This is incorrect. In the book "Why Do Pirates Love Parrots?" by David Feldman, it's explained that indeed Pirates did have an affinity for exotic birds... though they were kept for trading, rather than as pets. The crew aboard a pirate ship often trained the birds to speak in order to pass the time between ports & plunderin'. -- YoShIe66 13:40, 02 Feb 2007 (EST)

You are correct, I've re-worded it. Actually treasure maps were a literary invention but the parrots and peg-legs were not - the association of parrots with pirates was popularized by Stevenson. -- Stbalbach 15:15, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sourcing

The AFD went bye-bye, but I'm serious about the unreferenced and importance tags. The article heavily relies on primary sources at this point and there is no shortage of proper reliable sources available on Google News Archive. (Also, the article should be at Talk Like a Pirate Day -- 9 out of 10 people don't know the first word is International.) -- Dhartung | Talk 08:27, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Hmm.. well the correct and official name is ITLAPD, I suppose it is popularly called something else, we can certainly redirect TLAPD, but the official name is what the article should be called. As for sourcing.. what kind of sources are you looking for? If your that serious, would you be willing to lend a hand to fix the problem instead of using nag tags? -- Stbalbach 16:40, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Also, there is nothing wrong with using citations to primary sources for verifiability purposes, and the article has citations to 3rd party sources for notability purposes - probably the worst "sin" this article has is it doesn't have enough cites, but then that is true for 99% of Wikipedia, I don't really see the problem. Everything can be made better on Wikipedia as a matter of course but we usually reserve nag tags for the worst problems - I just don't see the problem, it is verifiable links and notability links. -- Stbalbach 16:47, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fictional Pirate Sayings

On March 9, JzG removed this section with the comment

(→Fictional pirate sayings - It's a howto, and complete original research.)

I object. The sources are clearly labelled (Treasure Island, Peter Pan, Mark Liberman's research). This is not original research. I see no discussion here regarding this rather major deletion.

I think this section should be restored. Any comments? Bill Jefferys 12:15, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing that up, I missed it. They are sourced and not OR, it says "examples", nothing wrong with giving notable examples of pirate speech. What else would an article like this have. -- Stbalbach 17:48, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
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