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[edit] Request for assistance or mediation

As mentioned in my statement at WP:AFAr, this is a content dispute. I would like to request for possible assistance or mediation to have the problem solved, and I will appreciate. In the meanwhile, I will try to avoid getting in any new trouble with SchmuckyTheCat. — Instantnood 19:18, Apr 1, 2005 (UTC)

Information below provide valuable evidence and other related materials of this dispute. — Instantnood 19:18, Apr 1, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Ongoing discussions

(Note: this list will be updated from time to time)

[edit] Updates

[edit] Update on Mar 29

SchmuckyTheCat is

  • depopulating category:Laws of mainland China while the discussion at WP:CFD has not been closed.

She/he has also been moving around articles

(Note: the lists below will be updated from time to time)

[edit] Changing titles

[edit] Depopulating categories

category:Laws of mainland China

category:Elections in mainland China

category:Political parties in mainland China

category:Youth wings of political parties of mainland China

category:Airports of mainland China

[edit] Other edits

[edit] Did not respect poll result

[edit] Update on April 2

[edit] Not sticking with naming conventions regarding political NPOV

This series of edits (economy of the People's Republic of China), this edit (Chinese federalism) and this edit (Capital punishment in the People's Republic of China) by SchmuckyTheCat seems clearly not following the naming conventions. He replaced all references to "mainland China" with "China", effectively equating the two terms.

In this edit (Tian Tan Buddha), she/he's implying Taiwan not part of China, which is not a NPOV.

[edit] Changing titles

By the way, she/he's been moving list of companies in the People's Republic of China to list of companies in mainland China (at 01:41 Apr 2). I have moved it back just now.

Update: List of companies in mainland China is moved to list of companies in the People's Republic of China again, at 16:19, Apr 2. — Instantnood 16:31, Apr 2, 2005 (UTC)

She/he moved

[edit] Moving articles between categories

She/he moved the following articles from category:Mainland China to category:People's Republic of China

She/he has rewritten the PICC article, and she/he's also getting into trouble with Ran with Internet censorship in the People's Republic of China (see its discussion page). — Instantnood 08:23, Apr 2, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Update on April 5

[edit] Depopulating categories

Update: SchmuckyTheCat kept depopulating category:Laws of mainland China, despite the words " Please do not remove this notice or empty the category while the question is being considered. " on the CFD template. The articles and categories being taken off from this category include:

She/he has also removed Ping An of China and PICC from category:Insurance companies of mainland China, despite an earlier decision at WP:CFD.

[edit] Moving articles between categories

Further, she/he has set up category:Culture of the People's Republic of China, and moved Chinese house church from category:Culture of mainland China to it.

See also the discussion at category talk:Culture of the People's Republic of China. — Instantnood 09:20, Apr 5, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Update on April 6

[edit] Changing titles

[edit] Moving articles between categories

[edit] Populating disputed categories

Category:Laws of the People's Republic of China

Category:Companies of the People's Republic of China

[edit] New categories and populating new categories

Category:Religion in the People's Republic of China (created at 01:39, Apr 6, 2005)

Category:Internet in the People's Republic of China (created at 01:03, Apr 6, 2005)

Category:Culture of the People's Republic of China (created at 21:45, Apr 4, 2005) (see also category talk:Culture of the People's Republic of China)

[edit] Update on April 10

[edit] New categories and populating new categories

Category:Religion in the People's Republic of China

[edit] Update on April 12

[edit] Changing the content from "mainland China" to "China" or "PRC"

[edit] Changing the format of presentation of mainland China and Hong Kong

  — Instantnood 06:59, Apr 12, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Update on April 13

[edit] Forcing inclusion of Hong Kong and Macao to mainland China-related articles

  — Instantnood 22:37, Apr 13, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Update on April 18

[edit] Changing the content from "mainland China" to "China" or "PRC"

[edit] Moving articles between categories

  — Instantnood 21:28, Apr 18, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Update on April 21

[edit] Changing the content from "mainland China" to "China" or "PRC"

  — Instantnood 17:15, Apr 21, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] My response to Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Instantnood/Evidence

It is nice that SchmuckyTheCat has listed everything out in such a detailed manner. The previous RFC on myself provides precious comments from other users regarding my actions on Wikipedia.

In fact, most of the conflicts between SchmuckyTheCat and I are around the use of "mainland China", and Hong Kong-related topics. — Instantnood 11:04, Mar 30, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Over the use of "mainland China"

Regarding " Instantnood created the category "Laws of mainland China". He began moving some articles to it, in spite of the concensus not to, and began creating new articles to populate it instead of populating Laws of the People's Republic of China. "

I have never created any articles on laws of the PRC/laws of mainland China. The only new article I have created, Shenzhen Airport, was created upon a request from Fbriere. List of airports in Mainland China (the original title before being moved by SchmuckyTheCat) was created by Caiqian. What I did was categorised it.

At category talk:Airports of mainland China I have made my position clear, that is, the previous poll at WP:CFD regarding category:Airports of the PRC does not apply.

COSCO is a TNC. It has operations in many countries. Are we going to categorised it according to the place of its incorporation, or categorised it to every single place it has business? It is pretty clear that it is a company from mainland China.

Road Traffic Safety Law of the People's Republic of China, despite its official title, is only valid, applied and applicable within mainland China. I made a mistake and moved it for I did not acknowledge the title of the article is in fact the title of the law. Jiang told me at talk:Road Traffic Safety Law of the People's Republic of China, and I agree with it. I am pretty sure Jiang would agree that this law is a law within mainland China.

Furthermore, "Category:..of mainland China" and "category:..of the PRC" are not parallel structures. Mainland China ≠ People's Republic of China. The categories for mainland China that I have created are subcategory of the PRC categories.

Like many other matters, administration of country parks is the business of the Hong Kong Government. Country parks in Hong Kong are not the national parks of the PRC. Adding country parks in Hong Kong to list of national parks of the People's Republic of China is obviously inappropriate and irrelevant, and the act has revealed she/he is either unfamiliar with the situation, or putting forward her/his hidden agenda. Indeed, she/he avoided (by saying "What?") my question twice at talk:99 Ranch Market. — Instantnood 11:04, Mar 30, 2005 (UTC)

Regarding " He also gamed it, the initial proposal was a discussion, not a poll. So when, two weeks later, he decided to make it a poll, those objections "didn't count". "

I stated explicitly at the top of the section Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Chinese)#Discussion on "China"/"PRC" vs. "mainland China" that it was a discussion and was not a poll. If I were gaming it I didn't have to state it explicitly. — Instantnood 17:42, Mar 30, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Victoria City

At talk:Hong Kong, there was no consensus on whether Victoria City is Hong Kong's capital. This section between some anonymous users made no consensus. The other discussion section SchmuckyTheCat took part, has no consensus either. The so called consensus was between she/he and Huaiwei.

Throughout the discussion, I did admit Victoria City's status as the capital is not a formal one, but she/he and Huaiwei declined to accept its status as de facto, regardless of the fact that many different sources support it. I have attempted to add a sentence into the articles (Hong Kong and Victoria City) that its status is disputed, and they did not agree. They insisted any reference to it as the capital as to be removed entirely. — Instantnood 11:04, Mar 30, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] 3RR

I have made my position clear here that one of the revert was not actually a revert. And probably this is the only case which I have, arguably, violated the 3RR rule. — Instantnood 11:04, Mar 30, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Minor edits

I don't think there's any problem for marking reverts as minor edit. No content has actually been changed from previous versions. Some sysops also mark reverts as minor edits when they're rolling back. Interestingly, SchmuckyTheCat did request Jiang to stop marking reverts as minor edits. — Instantnood 11:04, Mar 30, 2005 (UTC)

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